Compressed air tablet - is this possible?

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MissBalloon
Compressed air tablet - is this possible?

This is a thought that has been going around in my head since watching someone swallow a compressed air capsule on James Bond! Is technology advanced enough to create such a capsule? It would be totally horrible to happen to someone in real life, but I guess enough compressed gas could make someone blow-up like a balloon and explode! It would have to be a lot of gas! What does anyone think? :oops:

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Kelvins_Choice

There are many ways to store gases as solids or liquids, carbon dioxide as dry ice for example.

Carbon Dioxide 1.977 gm/liter\0.12342 lb/cu. ft.
Dry Ice 1560 kg./cu. meter\97.4 lbs/cu. ft.

So 1 pound of dry ice would got from 0.0102 cubic feet, to 8.1 cubic feet

Some chemical reactions liberate gas in large quantities, that's how explosives work. So it is possible.

deleted_20091014

Well first off... welcome to BI.org MissBalloon.

Many of my stories and drawings involve compressed air pellets. It's one of my favourite inflation methods. I don't know if we possess the technology to compress gases to that level. Certainly I don't think there is such a material which could hold the massive pressures the compressed gas would be under and yet dissolve in the human stomach to release the gases.

Then there are physiological reasons why it wouldn't happen the same as our fantasies, a massive amount of gas released in the stomach would inflate it, and maybe if the stomach burst it would start to inflate the whole abdominal cavity. Whether the diaphragm would then rupture, releasing the gas into the chest cavity, or the skin would simply rupture I don't know. Either way it's not a very pleasant thought. I prefer it when girls just burst like balloons.

From your name I would suspect you think similarly ;)

mrhose
MissBalloon wrote:
This is a thought that has been going around in my head since watching someone swallow a compressed air capsule on James Bond! Is technology advanced enough to create such a capsule? It would be totally horrible to happen to someone in real life, but I guess enough compressed gas could make someone blow-up like a balloon and explode! It would have to be a lot of gas! What does anyone think? :oops:

No, it can't. Anything that would fit into a single capsule to swallow would have to be kept at extremely low temperatures. Nitrogen, for example, has a wonderful property of expansion, it's what makes engines work. Liquid nitrogen must be so cold that it kills anything living it touches on contact, but would expand greatly when heated. However, I doubt you would enjoy swallowing something in the hundreds of negatives Fahrenheit.

You can make pills filled with Baking Powder easily, and those can swell your stomach up pretty big. You can stretch a great deal, it would take a tremendous amount of pressure to burst you and you would be throwing up/burping long before then anyway.

P.S. humans don't exactly explode, in any form. if it did burst, it would rupture, and the gas would just leak out into other parts of your body. There really isn't a way to make someone fully inflate like that. They would just suffer hemorrhaging and internal bleeding, with their stomach poisoning their other organs.

hfilled

Not ony would the pellet in question have to be at a comfortable temperature, it also has to be small enough to swallow. The compresses hydrogen pellets in my "Race" stories are about the size of a gumball--about a half-inch in diameter. Yet it would still have to hold enough gas in that small capsule to expand and burst a human. Not gonna happen in this century.

Inflate123
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I still like it as a plot device, but reality it ain't.

I saw that Bond movie too. Live and Let Die, right? Yaphet Kotto, the shark pellet, underwater final scene?

Auriga
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The best compression ratio, afaik, has neutron star matter ... 1 and 17 zeros kg per cubic meter. However, that stuff is even less friendly, than liquid nitrogen :)

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also neutron star matter is naturally that dense, it won't 'decompress' when swallowed ;)

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Mr Hose and Miss Balloon... XD

Yes Inflate, thats the one.

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nineteenthly

I've thought about this a lot, and whereas an actual compressed air tablet is probably not possible, i can think of other approaches. Firstly, the element palladium can absorb 900 times its own volume of hydrogen. Therefore, if this could be released, a solid pellet of palladium or maybe some combination of substances would only need to be the size of a teaspoon to fill the stomach with hydrogen. A paste consisting of a liquid containing granules of similar such substances would release a whole load of gas.

Another possibility is the issue of clathrate compounds. These are substances whose molecules act as cages for other molecules or atoms. I can envisage hydrochloric acid acting on these, breaking them up and releasing gas.

Then there's diet coke and mentoes. The important ingredients seem to be carbon dioxide, gum arabic, aspartame and caffeine, and the combination of many sites where bubbles can form lead to the release of large quantities of gas. This strongly suggests something like a gas pellet really is possible.

Finally, a substance might be possible whose molecules could reconfigure themselves as larger ones. They could be folded up like one of those balls which can expand into spheres, for example. Proteins are usually folded, though not necessarily in this way.

Since all of this is going on in the digestive system, digestive enzymes or hydrochloric acid could trigger off some kind of reaction. However, considering this is probably going on in the stomach, the gastric acid would leak out and there's also the possibility of faecal peritonitis or gas embolism. However, there are other potential spaces in the body, and the best bet is probably between the deep and superficial fascia, where fat is normally stored. Inflation could happen here without killing the victim, i think.

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Inflate123
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Palladium! Hydrochloric acid! It's so sexy when you put it that way. :)

(Actually, I think it's cool that you always chime in with the real science elements of our fictional scenarios.)

mrhose
nineteenthly wrote:
I've thought about this a lot, and whereas an actual compressed air tablet is probably not possible, i can think of other approaches. Firstly, the element palladium can absorb 900 times its own volume of hydrogen. Therefore, if this could be released, a solid pellet of palladium or maybe some combination of substances would only need to be the size of a teaspoon to fill the stomach with hydrogen. A paste consisting of a liquid containing granules of similar such substances would release a whole load of gas.

Another possibility is the issue of clathrate compounds. These are substances whose molecules act as cages for other molecules or atoms. I can envisage hydrochloric acid acting on these, breaking them up and releasing gas.

Then there's diet coke and mentoes. The important ingredients seem to be carbon dioxide, gum arabic, aspartame and caffeine, and the combination of many sites where bubbles can form lead to the release of large quantities of gas. This strongly suggests something like a gas pellet really is possible.

Finally, a substance might be possible whose molecules could reconfigure themselves as larger ones. They could be folded up like one of those balls which can expand into spheres, for example. Proteins are usually folded, though not necessarily in this way.

Since all of this is going on in the digestive system, digestive enzymes or hydrochloric acid could trigger off some kind of reaction. However, considering this is probably going on in the stomach, the gastric acid would leak out and there's also the possibility of faecal peritonitis or gas embolism. However, there are other potential spaces in the body, and the best bet is probably between the deep and superficial fascia, where fat is normally stored. Inflation could happen here without killing the victim, i think.

Pure science fiction, most of that was completely inaccurate. Nothing we have in this current age of science can contain enough pressurized gas, and if you somehow could unleashing it would have the same effect as detonating a bomb, no inflation really. The nearest thing would be hydro-gel, which could absorb your bodies water. Granted, it might dehydrate you. Also, any real type of inflation would be potentially deadly. No real safe way to do it without injuring yourself at the least.

nineteenthly

I suppose it's really a question of being able to come up with convincing technobabble, so that i'm then able to fantasise without being distracted by doubt. However, i think it's generally accepted that the diet coke and mentoes thing works to some extent, so why not work on that? Survivability is unlikely and i think we all want inflation rather than immediate detonation.

However, i have to say that i prefer the idea of inflation via a hose, as i imagine you must too, given your nickname.

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mrhose
nineteenthly wrote:
I suppose it's really a question of being able to come up with convincing technobabble, so that i'm then able to fantasise without being distracted by doubt. However, i think it's generally accepted that the diet coke and mentoes thing works to some extent, so why not work on that? Survivability is unlikely and i think we all want inflation rather than immediate detonation.

However, i have to say that i prefer the idea of inflation via a hose, as i imagine you must too, given your nickname.

Well that is a very realistic (and fun) method. A lot of air escapes via your nose and mouth since you need to breathe, you also inhale a lot and exhale it. So I used to use compressors for beds and even then it was slow inflation, but you could fill up large. My lovely female friend discovered balloons in the ass is a safe and fun method, along with those pills I have said I created, I mailed her a bunch.

nineteenthly

Yes, i've done that too, and it's great. The only thing that worries me about that is the danger of rupturing your eardrums. You can avoid inhaling it if you hold your breath while you do it and you can also pinch your nose. I have thought about a noseclip but haven't done it.

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mrhose
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Yes, i've done that too, and it's great. The only thing that worries me about that is the danger of rupturing your eardrums. You can avoid inhaling it if you hold your breath while you do it and you can also pinch your nose. I have thought about a noseclip but haven't done it.

Then you are doing it very wrong. That much PSI is dangerous if you could direct it all inside of you, so the act of inhaling and exhaling it along with leakage out the nose is a safeguard, the rest trickles down your throat and into your belly.

You shouldn't feel pressure inside your head or chest.

nineteenthly

That's not how i do it. What i actually do is swallow air or use a bicycle or other hand-operated pump. I pump slowly and get a gradual but considerable expansion. With the swallowing air, and it's always mystified me why more people don't do that, i leave about ten minutes between each gulp, which works quite well.

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MissBalloon
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That's not how i do it. What i actually do is swallow air or use a bicycle or other hand-operated pump. I pump slowly and get a gradual but considerable expansion. With the swallowing air, and it's always mystified me why more people don't do that, i leave about ten minutes between each gulp, which works quite well.

I love my aquarium pump and tubing! But I do not place it in my mouth! I set the pump on a timer so it turns itself on after a few minutes so it feels out of my control(the suspense is lovely!) I tend not to really feel the tubing in me either as it is so small!

Inflation is love!

mrhose

I just chug a few sodas and 18 of those pills.

nineteenthly

Most people seem to do it the "other way", if at all, and find it difficult by mouth, but i would say the opposite is so. Concerning drinks, i would be concerned about acid-base balance and aspartame, among other things.

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MissBalloon
mrhose wrote:
nineteenthly wrote:
I suppose it's really a question of being able to come up with convincing technobabble, so that i'm then able to fantasise without being distracted by doubt. However, i think it's generally accepted that the diet coke and mentoes thing works to some extent, so why not work on that? Survivability is unlikely and i think we all want inflation rather than immediate detonation.

However, i have to say that i prefer the idea of inflation via a hose, as i imagine you must too, given your nickname.

Well that is a very realistic (and fun) method. A lot of air escapes via your nose and mouth since you need to breathe, you also inhale a lot and exhale it. So I used to use compressors for beds and even then it was slow inflation, but you could fill up large. My lovely female friend discovered balloons in the ass is a safe and fun method, along with those pills I have said I created, I mailed her a bunch.

Balloons in my ass sounds fun. I usually stick to an aquarium pump!

Inflation is love!