Vore and Emotions

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Sun, 01/01/2017 - 15:48

AirPump

Vore and Emotions

Alright, so I know it's not exactly the same thing, but it is related to our fetish. I was viewing some vore-related comics and I was struck by the apparent lack of "proper" emotion on behalf of the eater. Most commonly, someone seems to be consumed by hunger or lust and starts to eat the "victim" and is then motivated either by greater hunger or greater lust to continue consuming them. Now this is all well and good, but it's the after part I have trouble with. When the person is sitting there with a squirming, gigantically swollen belly, they just giggle and say something like "Oh, I guess I was hungrier than I thought," or "Mmm, you were tasty."

So, how come no one is ever regretful or shocked by what has transpired? I mean (except in some circumstances) the person they ate is being digested and will surely die. Doesn't that effect them somehow? Especially if the "victim" is a relative. The comic I read had a set of twins, and one ate the other, and when it was all done she was merely impressed with how her body had changed. Would she not be saddened by the loss of her twin? She killed her, and all she could say was "Oh look at my new boobies,"?!?!

Can anyone who's into this sort of thing please shed some light on this? I know I'm "overthinking" it, but it's just hard for me to enjoy a story with such an obvious dehumanizing concept, especially when the characters are humans.

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Sun, 01/01/2017 - 16:15

Cosinusitis

Can't tell much since I ain't really into vore, but there's the concept of endosomatophilia (or soft vore for those who hate long words) where basically digestion is completely thrown outta the window and the victim is eaten whole and just, chilling in the dude's gut like if he was sapped by some sort of vacuum. No deaths, implied regurgitation or other kind of harmless exit, etc, things. Many vore fans are actually grossed out by the concept of digestion, mind ya.

If you're really talking about comics where digestion is shown, I have no idea. The human brain is fucked up, anyways-

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Sun, 01/01/2017 - 16:32

(Reply to #2) #3

AirPump

I'm familiar with the concept. The particular comic that sparked this question didn't show digestion, but it was obviously implied that the consumed person was simply no more. What I find confusing is that her sister, who absorbed her, doesn't seem even the slightest bit unnerved by what has happened. I am attempting to locate the comic as we speak.

EDIT: Found it in an archive:
http://www.imagefap.com/pictures/6451734/004

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Sun, 01/01/2017 - 17:13

CobaltSnake

I prefer vore stories in which the victim is being filled forceably from a slime or goo monster, then the tension of being popped is introduced which is a lot more interesting than typical vore stories.

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Sun, 01/01/2017 - 20:07

Margeret Moonlught

This was always my biggest issue with voraphilia, Almost 100% of the time the predators are absolute monsters. Now this would work in say, Pacific Rim, Where the predators ACTUALLY ARE unrepentant monsters.

But sadly, not everything is Pacific Rim.

I suppose that's a giant reason as to why Vore is the more common 'Jesus Christ how horrifying' fetish as opposed to inflation. Sure inflation is weird, Especially from an outside perspective, But vore is outright horrifying, ESPECIALLY from an outside perspective. And this is coming from someone who likes popping, This shit is fucked.

But that being said, There actually is an artist who's primary vore character is very much horrified by what she does, And outright thinks she's a monster for doing it. His art style is a little cartoony, But it's adorable and he actually managed to write a predator who, Instead of going 'mm tasty' when fucking digesting someone, Goes 'WHY DID I DO THIS IM A MONSTER AAAAA' when the deed is done.

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Sun, 01/01/2017 - 20:29

(Reply to #5) #6

AirPump

I can see your point of view. Vore does seem to be a much more "horrifying" fetish compared to inflation. Perhaps that is the appeal? I dunno, I'm not particularly a vorophile myself. As I've said before, I'm just interested in understanding.

I don't suppose you could point me to the particular artist you suggested? It'd be refreshing to see a more "realistic" character in vore.

P.S. To answer the question in your signiature line...because she's into oviposition, obviously ;)

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Mon, 01/02/2017 - 01:07

(Reply to #6) #7

Margeret Moonlught

Here you go.

His art isn't realistic at all, But it's cute.

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Mon, 01/02/2017 - 12:50

(Reply to #8) #8

AirPump

Thank you! Indeed, it is fairly cartoony as far as style goes, but the emotional reaction is far closer to reality. Very good!

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Sun, 01/01/2017 - 22:29

bigboy86

I agree with your stance. I have trouble taking stories where a person is suddenly treated as an object for fun, consumption, etc. very seriously as there's a general lack of effort to try to retain a human identity for "the victim."

Most of my DA stuff involves a magician who can actually perform magic acts, but while his wacky acts are real, the idea is that his subjects will be fine: this is just for entertainment.

I did recently do a private commission for a story where someone is transformed, quite possibly permanently, into a sentient but inanimate object. That really took some reasoning to figure out how to handle it while also treating the "victim" as human.

But yeah, anything where it's, "I'm going to make an end to this person because it's just another day," doesn't really sit well with me either.

Mon, 01/02/2017 - 11:51

#10

airtankgirl5

We have a fetish where people blow up like balloons, or float, or turn into blueberries or sometimes explode, but it's vore that is unrealistic and confusing? ;)

Im not into vore myself, but I think I sorta understand some of the headspace because I see parallels in a lot of fetishism. When trying to grasp a different fetish, keep in mind there will be a number of sub-triggers (just like in inflation/expansion), so you have to take them individually, rather than try to grasp the entire fetish from one small sample. I could probably go on, but as this is longer than my typical post, my fingers are tired.

Mon, 01/02/2017 - 12:47

(Reply to #9) #11

AirPump

Thank you, ATG, your approach is very much like my own. I too try to understand little parts at a time to get a grasp on the bigger picture. I find it most interesting that content that features more themes that different fetishes enjoy in parallel can usually be enjoyed by anyone involved, and different fetishists will attribute the material to their own fetish regardless of the actual content.

To clarify it's not vore in general I find confusing, it's the apparent lack of basic human feeling on behalf of the eater seemingly popular among artists and writers that I find "unrealistic."

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Mon, 01/02/2017 - 14:32

#12

airtankgirl5

Well, at it's simplist, I'd say compare the apparent lack of basic human feeling in vore to the fairly commonplace practise of "popping" in inflation. While there are many who use popping as a metaphor for climax and the popped person re-appears unharmed, there are many on the other side that use popping as a more permanent consequence.

Thinking about it a bit more, I think the fantasy element of our respective fetishes includes, not only the obvious physical fantasies, but also the emotional ones as well. For example, my fairly well documented enthusiasm for myself inflating usually has something like "oh no, what's happening to me, I feel funny?" This is both the physical and emotional fantasy. Whereas of course, were I to start inflating IRL I would totally freak out with LOTS of really shrill screaming and running about and calling 911.

I think my whole rambling point here is that if your fetish is inflating, you find the emotional responses to enjoy it (even some of those might well be negative emotional responses like shame, vengance, pain and hate). If one's fetish is eating others, you find the fantastical emotional responses to enjoy it.

I can see similarities at some levels. Not everything is same same of course. We see tremendous variety in expansion (myself, I'm really only into inflation). Stands to reason that there is a similar variety in the different flavors of vore.

Inflation:
"I'm getting so bloated"
"Oh my gosh I'm blowing up like a balloon"

"I'm going to miss him/her. He/she made a good blimp"
"you'll have plenty of time to adjust to life as a blimp"

Vore:
"I'm so full"
"Oh my gosh I ate all of him"
"I'm going to miss him/her. He/she was delicious"
"You be quiet in there"

Mon, 01/02/2017 - 14:35

(Reply to #12) #13

AirPump

A good comparrison. I guess what I'm trying to understand is whether the artist/author is "dehumanizing" the character on purpose, or if it's a sort of trope of the genre. Either way, I'd personally find it much more enjoyable if the charcter(s) showed a more realistic range of emotions. Yes, I get that it's a fantasy, and that I'm not exactly the intended audience, but even in something like Star Wars, where it's even more of a fantasy, the characters still display a believable level of emotional connection to the events on screen. Again, perhaps this is just a personal preference, but I'd still like to understand the reasoning.

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Mon, 01/02/2017 - 15:01

(Reply to #12) #14

firnov

I can totally agree. Vore is a fantasie to, they aint hannibal as we aint willy wonka (but in our minds we want to be). We just think about characters in our head, it dont mind what happens to them, because you dont hurt people in real live.

Im a popper, and i know some of you think "i dont like it because it is bad for the character". Well the emotions of my chatacters are mixed. Some want to pop and some dont. But for the negative emotions i like more cartoon/comedy like emotions than really dramatic.

As popping is for me, eating is for them. And lets be honnest, its just a fetish :)

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Thu, 01/05/2017 - 20:07

#15

AirPump

Thanks for all the thoughtful opinions.

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Mon, 01/16/2017 - 20:25

#16

InflatedBellyBoss

Honestly, Vore kinda grosses me out. As Willy Wonka once said; "That, children, is called cannibalism. And it is frowned upon in society." I mean, I guess I get the appeal? Sorta? But that issue you brought up does play a big part in that. I mean, you just cannibalized your friend! And you show no remorse?! It's kinda sick...

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Mon, 01/16/2017 - 20:37

(Reply to #16) #17

AirPump

My policy is "to each their own" even on the things that gross me out. Scat for example. I don't get it, but if someone else does, more power to 'em. Just don't expect me to get on board.

Anyway, you've hit the nail on the head with what I'm asking. Is this just "a thing" with vore? It seems to be prevalent in other types of the genre as well. I mean, the pretty girl who wants to die in a snake's stomach? Okay, I can understand the sexual desire to be eaten, but no rational-minded human being would actually want to die, unless there's some sort of underlying psychological issue. If that's the case, perhaps at least a hint at that might help those, like me, who have difficulty ignoring reality.

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Wed, 01/18/2017 - 21:27

(Reply to #17) #18

InflatedBellyBoss

I feel like if the situations presented in vore were more akin to the circumstances it would come to in real life (if it's possible to swallow a whole human) then I'd find it more enjoyable. However, I find most vore reactions to give off fetish-cross-horror vibes.

And like you said, what person, without self-destructive tendancies, would want their lives to end? Because in many cases, the victims literally crawl into their mouths. That's... kinda unrealistic.

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Thu, 01/19/2017 - 00:28

(Reply to #18) #19

Margeret Moonlught

Let's not throw stones in a glass house here, Inflation can be pretty unrealistic. Like, popping. That's essentially the vore of this fetish. Horrifying and gruesome, but some folk (me included lol) find it arousing. Spherical inflation is also highly unrealistic, Dare I say Moreso than vore.

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Thu, 01/19/2017 - 07:21

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AirPump

I understand what you're saying there Margeret. Believe me, I take just as much issue with the unrealistic aspects of this fetish too, if these forums are any indication. My point is just that it's hard to continue enjoying something when a character is acting absolutely contrary to their nature. Unless some previous explanation is provided (hypnosis, poison, drugs, etc.), I can't maintain the illusion of the fantasy.

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Thu, 01/19/2017 - 07:29

#21

Auriga

I totally don't get vore, but I think it can be related to bursting (which I like).

Regret and contempt totally kill all the fun. It's most fun when the inflator doesn't care about inflatee imminent demise and regards her(or him) like a mere balloon to pop. Or in case of vore - like a cake to be eaten.

Thu, 01/19/2017 - 07:38

(Reply to #21) #22

AirPump

Ah, an opposing stance. First of all, I welcome your opinion. Second, would you care to elaborate on your viewpoint? Mainly, I'd like to understand how you rationalize human beings not behaving/emoting like human beings.

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Thu, 01/19/2017 - 07:45

(Reply to #22) #23

Auriga

Hardly anything rational in bursting as well as vore

Thu, 01/19/2017 - 07:51

(Reply to #23) #24

AirPump

I applaud your ability to shug it off so easily. I wish it was so easy for me.

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Fri, 01/20/2017 - 00:09

#25

LutherVKane

AirTankGirl makes a great point here:

I think my whole rambling point here is that if your fetish is inflating, you find the emotional responses to enjoy it (even some of those might well be negative emotional responses like shame, vengance, pain and hate). If one's fetish is eating others, you find the fantastical emotional responses to enjoy it.

Neither inflation nor vore are genres that lend themselves well to authentic emotional responses. Usually, your audience prefers that the characters react in ways that are arousing rather than realistic. In vore, the reader would rather focus on the details of consuming a human being, not on the rational, terrible implications that such a scenario represents. It's a similar situation with inflation. Someone inexplicably blowing up like a balloon would be reasonable to respond with unbridled panic. People witnessing the inflation would be similarly frightened. Seeing someone explode would be severely traumatic. But these responses would get in the way of readers' enjoyment, so they don't happen.

I'm sure there's an audience for stories where people respond in a more sensible way to such impossible and horrific scenarios, but it's probably much smaller than audience who just wants to enjoy the fantasy. In my own experience, I'm much more likely to get negative feedback from a story where characters react realistically than I am from a story where a character commits murder and just shrugs it off.

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Fri, 01/20/2017 - 07:23

(Reply to #25) #26

AirPump

It would seem I'm one of those in the minority I suppose. You've made an excellent point, though I kind of wish there were more to it than just the whole "It's fantasy and you should treat it as such" explanation. Not that that's a problem mind you. Sometimes it's the simplest answers that make the most sense. I'm just a bit disappointed that there really isn't a deeper, more complex solution.

A writer will always write for their selected audience, and my particular tastes may not always be catered to. And I as a reader should never expect such. It's disrespectful to both the writer and other readers. Clearly my issues with character behavior and emotions are my own issues, and I'm gonna have to learn to let go a little more if I intend to enjoy certain pieces of art or writing.

Thank you all for participating, and for helping me to better understand the world in general. Keep inflating!

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Sun, 01/22/2017 - 22:05

#27

Penner

To me, vore is inherently, deeply dark. I see it as artwork of people aroused and empowered by a specific kind of cannibalism, murder, and/or genocide that is generally nonconsentual in nature. It doesn't strike me as a stretch that artists producing that kind of work would want to find a way to lighten it up, in this case by making it as playful or cartoony as possible.

From there, I feel like the reactions of subjects in vore art are necessary for suspension of disbelief. If those surreal or cartoonish reactions weren't there, then it's possible that people trying to enjoy it would see it much like people like me do. This would make it decidedly not sexy; this kills the fetish. Just a thought.

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