I've removed some posts on real-life inflation

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LutherVKane
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I've removed some posts on real-life inflation

TL;DR: I’ve taken down some posts about real life inflation. Will probably take down more. Considering whether it’s appropriate to host such content on the site.

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People have been posting about real life inflation on this site for a long time. It’s never really been my things, but seemed an appropriate topic for BodyInflation.org. But lately I’ve seen a significant increase in the frequency of posts and comments that I find concerning. There is risk in inflating yourself, and more people seem to be pushing the boundaries of safety.

I’m sure some of these people are just attention-seeking trolls. I’m equally certain that most of them are not. These posts, along with a number of other incidents in recent months unconnected to this site, have made me reconsider whether it’s appropriate to host content that enables or encourages such practices.

And to be perfectly blunt, if someone manages to win a Darwin Award due to reckless self-inflation, I don’t want there to be any connection to this site.

So I’ve removed a number of posts about real life inflation from the forum. More will likely disappear of the next few days.

There may be a change in site policy regarding what sort of material will be permitted here. I haven’t made a final decision. For now, the posts are merely hidden, not deleted. If you have an opinion on the matter, please post a comment.

kamensy

oh........ sad........

Drybonesx

I think this was a wise decision. 

I'm mean. 

Chocotier

Seconded.  Well put.

airtankgirl5
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Smashing idea!

Auriga
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Always thought that this stuff is disgusting. 

Of course it can be blamed for censorship... but, recently there was a surge of so called drath groups in Russian social networks. 

 People dragged into this kind of stuff receive instructions from so called curator. It starts as weird game with simple quests in reality, but each task escalates and pushes the limits further slowly training player into obedience to nut crazy commands, then goes self harm and final mission is suicide. 

 Hosting such content is criminal offense in Russia and it should be so everywhere. 

 

AirPump
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As an administrator, I understand your decision. Protect yourself and the site first, that's all you can do. You have my support sir.

Fill 'er up!

MidriffManiac
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i fully support this

Pennsylvania Ki...
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It's the right thing to do, I believe.

It's a person's health and safety at risk, after all, and more often than not having this stuff up on the forums induces curiosity or encouragement for people who might not know any better. I think the biggest problem is that most users aren't doctors. I feel many of the replies to threads of this material boil down to terms like "I think this is your answer" (when it's better to be an educated, medical opinion), or "seriously, go get that educated, medical opinion" - there's not much to discuss, or at least it's not very optimistic in nature.

It was acknowledged that self-inflation is, notoriously, a real segment of the fetish that carries enough of a social circle to be a facet of discussion to people. I wonder if it's overall fair for the fantasy crowd to police the reality crowd, if I can put it that simply. Regardless of whether self-inflation is partitioned off from this site policy or not, there also has to be acknowledgement that we might be creating a circle where only the "outsiders" reside. It's admittedly contradictory to me that that could happen when the entire inflation community is living under one roof here (uh, maybe not the furries; they're outside in the yard) and we'd be setting up certain "rooms" where the conversation is allowed.

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Also, maybe I haven't looked enough at the manner of the threads that were hidden, but would this rule out food stuffing or liquid bloating as "self-inflation" methods? Maybe if advice threads are still unwanted here, those would be on the way out.

Margeret Moonlught
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Cull the weak from th- wait, no that's wrong.. 

Anyway thank god, It was starting to get annoying. Ya made a good call, Luther. 

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Lopni

may i point on F.A.Q.(v2) of AnotherCanadianGuy - it might be fitting to have it in the Library.

Is the purpose of this site changing (in which case - what is a new purpose?), or it's just a local safety measure?

Is this safety measure designed to keep IRL inflation away from this site, or to keep IRL inflationists safe?

If the latter is the case, then it's difficult to protect by not letting to know. Having experts like Nineteenthly and others who know technicalities and can say "don't do it" in a believable way - could be a better solution ^_^

Soufflate

The recent events (the past year and more count, to me) regarding other inflation websites being shut down should definitely be top concern to this site. I'm actually glad to hear this input, as it feels comforting to know there's consciousness of outside influences on this site's safety by the site owner. 

Regarding real life inflation, I agree with Lopni. AnotherCanadianGuy and Ninteenthly are very knowledgable and welcoming to users that are curious or are exploring rl inflation. With that being said, I feel it's almost impossible not to talk about real life inflation on an inflation site, unless the site specifically says its a fantasy site (which I am open to, but would be sad if BI.org changed). Especially since there are sometime new users that post some concerning posts (I may be at fault. My bad). I believe I am picking up on a suggestion of discussion rules? I don't mean censorship, but rather a guideline for safe talk of practices, like what I am sure other websites have, such as "do not discuss rl unconsensual practice as we do not condone it," or "do not encourage others to push past pain or other limits."

I have no clue what the best answer is as I have no experience as an administrator or website owner, but I am open to change for the hopeful benefit of the site.

hfilled

Seconded, motion carried.

 

It's all too easy in a litgious society to place blame or even to attempt it ti place blame on others either ouit of rage or desire for self enrichment.  Far better to keep your (and our) nose clean.

Another Canadian Guy
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I fully support this notion. While some people acknowledge that I wrote a FAQ on it, I would much rather people didn't try it in the first place because it is dangerous and as you stated above, if someone dies from it and it traces back to the forum, that's gonna be a real sh*t storm. Besides, I'm not a doctor anyways, nor is this a medical forum. Feel free to remove my FAQ Luther. I'm all for the switch to non-IRL inflation or suit inflation, no more IRL stuff.

(Not on here too often, replies might be slow.)

Lopni

okay, if the author thinks so, then i'm with him.

Not into real-life inflation myself (unless it's natural).

I'd rather discuss some coherent policy change than a partial measure of separating two distinctly different kinks.

1. Mollom might need an upgrade, or something. idk. As of right now there are spam posts on the frontpage with links leading outside this website. Nothing of InflateChan scale, but as of right now some bots sneak through.

2. Maybe broaden the scope by including some disputed areas, like officially inviting blueberry and fat (not my things but they're popular), pregnancy&breastfeeding (cause both include inflation)

3. Handing sellers might need a thought. again, idk. My gut feeling tells me my last year Kickstarter campaign was one big violation, although I'm grateful Luther and community allowed it run its course and end naturally.

4. It miiiight be handy to have a page on site policy. So far - couldn't find it: http://bodyinflation.org/search/apachesolr_search/policy  Okay, acquiring policy goes against a spirit of letting everything to live and individually considering closing every potential violation. Having policy assumes that some things will be not allowed en masse, automatically. On the bright side - we'll have some long read to refer to.

5. I believe what must be closed is harmful and illegal practices, not just improper real-life inflation. One might die of suffocation in an improperly (hand-)made full-body suit, or cause medical condition by eating/drinking gross amounts from a grocery store, you know. And proper practices, including proper real life inflation might be allowed.

6. Don't read me. Read those who are/were into real-life inflation. Like ACG who actually practiced IRL inflation for a decade. When he says he wants it out of this site you know it's an informed decision, not just abstract wishing good (my case).

TayvaRP
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I think it's a good idea to remove them. I can't say I'm familiar with the practice myself, but something of this nature can have dangerous consequences if practiced improperly. All it could take is a bad piece of advice, misinformation, or otherwise to put someone's health in danger. It would be easy enough to say 'consult a physician before trying', but really... how many people are going to openly discuss something of this nature with anyone else outside of the community?

The last thing we need is for someone to get hurt (because of something they read on here or otherwise), then point the finger at the community for their own decision-making. Better to absolve one of the few great bastions of any wrong-doing, than risk having to shut down over one person.

Wren

I agree with this decision.

carnatic

I felt this might come one day. As there was always a lot of discussion of RLI on this site, and most people weren't into it I had toyed with commenting that it might segregating it off into a seperate forum but figured Luther couldn't do this as it would be implicitly encouraging it so I can't say I'm surprised he decided that he needed to make extra-sure he couldn't be accused of putting people up to dangerous activities.

Infiltrator

Hello, lurker here, and I thought I'd throw in my two cents here. Let me start by saying that I do acknowledge and agree that there is indeed a problem with the recent number of uneducated "troll-ish" rl inflation posts as of late, and that as the website owner I completely see where you're coming from. However, I do not think you should delete the posts. 

 

I feel like I may be a minority here, but I get a kick out of the real deal. There's an otherwise unreachable element that can be done from a bloat, the actual look and feel from being filled with air or water or whatever. I know to many, this would be out of the question, and for a while I felt it was too. On one hand I wanted results, but on the other hand it was uncharted territory. That was where this site and a few others came in, with the rare post of someone sharing their accounts of the subject, and it was from this that I was able to educate myself before trying it.

 

What I'm getting at is that by hiding and, presumably, eventually deleting these posts, while you are making it so less people are exposed to this information, you're also making it so those who are committed to trying it have fewer sources of actually usefull information, and thus increasing the risk of them doing something wrong. While again, this does mean you as the host distance yourself from any of the crazy people who dare to try it themselves and that their decision to try it themselves is in no way influenced or affiliated with this website, you're also removing some of the content for a niche group of people, including things like adding a pinch of salt at the start to avoid water intoxication or Another Canadian Guy's treasure trove of information. I and several others know how to do it safely, but whose to say someone else comes along several months or years later seeking the same information only to find nothing here?

 

In conclusion, yes, there are indeed risks involved with the real thing in such a way that safety is required. Yes, there is a liability factor by having the information on the site based on the pure possibility that someone will go too far. Yes, there has been a decline in the number of inflation sites as of late, and it would be nothing short of horrible if this site were to join them. I know why you're doing this, but at the same time I don't think the eradication of all these posts is the best plan of action; perhaps a compromise could be reached somehow? However, at the end of the day, it is your website, and as such the ultimate decision is yours, and whatever you decide I will respect it. Thanks for the opportunity, Luther.

LutherVKane
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Several people have mentioned a decline in the number of inflation sites. Which sites have shut down recently?

Succoria

Inflatechan comes to mind, but it's been a minute since that happened. 

NameTaken
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Inflatechan's been down for at least a year now.

BttrfliesNHurricanes (not verified)

Yeah no getting RLI out of the forum is smart. It has no place here because of the potential health concerns and other points you've highlighted Luther.

Unless another free for all chan site launches again it's probably best to keep RLI out of easy access to the internet in general.

danielsangeo

Hopefully this won't include things like RL inflatable clothing posts.  This is only in reference to inflating one's physical body, right?

Somedude

I would imagine clothing/suit posts are safe. They don't carry anywhere near the same health and safety risks that attempting actual bodily inflation does.

LutherVKane
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Inflatable clothing is fine.

darth_clone19
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To be completely honest, I think thats a completely different fetish and unrelated to what most people here are into. Sure, topically they kinda seem the same, but the where the stimulation comes from seems vastly different. 

 -   Read my stories: darth-clone19.deviantart.com 

Soufflate
 
Through reading the comments of those who do not practice inflation irl, I feel I have to ask that whatever changes are made are not in the form of kink-shaming. Even though it can seem weird for someone to practice what others only fantasize about, discussion of irl practice should not be outlawed just for that. The original concern is the safety of others, and kink-shaming is not a form of caring for others' safety. Let's remember that.
AirPump
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Agreed.

Fill 'er up!

airtankgirl5
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Get bent you sanctimonoius twerp?

Yep, that was what I wanted to say.

 

Margeret Moonlught
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Did not expect to see bullshit of this level today.

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darth_clone19
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Theres a "shaming" for everything now.

RLI is not "practicing" what I fantasize about. They are two unrelated things altogeher.

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inflationpurveyor

I agree that this is the right way to go. Some of those posts were really alarming.

NameTaken
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Honestly disagree with removing Another Canadian Guy's guide, but I can see why you'd remove some of the others. IIRC there was this one dude going "can i inflate myself with hydrogen*???" who I swear was going for the gold in the Darwin Olympics.

 

*edit: Actually, I think it was Nitrous Oxide this... special individual wanted to use. A topic for N2O inflation shows up in my comments history, but the thread's been long since deleted. I think a safe assumption can be made, though. :V

Another Canadian Guy
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I think it's a wise idea actually. Having something like that becomes an enabler, and people can still get hurt even if they follow the guide. My bigger fear is that people will look at the guide and go "well he says this is safe, so this is probably safe too." Then someone gets hurt, someone blames this site, and then the metaphorical sh*t storm begins.

(Not on here too often, replies might be slow.)

Lopni

on something more local to me - today they've passed a law under which social groups and websites centered around endangering self and potentially harming self become illegal. It makes a curious conundrum - fictional inflation isn't even a porn here, technically I can watch MilkyBody at work legally (if work would do itself), but today real-life inflation might have become criminally illegal where I live - to the point that one might go to prison for spreading knowledge about it and inspiring others to try it. I guess I have no reason to defend it anymore. Sorry and apologies to all the cool IRL inflators I've chatted with here

Blimp Boy
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 I only think people should be allowed to talk about it if it's done in private. The problem with posting it in public is that you don't know who really is going to read it and what they are going to do. It's also concerning  when people make a post saying how easy it is and how it's  difficult to get hurt while doing it. A lot of individuals may take that sort of thing the wrong way and could end up hurting themselves. Most people here are not medical professionals so we don't know the limitations of the human body as much as some of us like to think we do. 

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Jakubxx
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So...this site now gonna be pure "Imagination-Inflation" or just "Fantasy inflation" based? 

danielsangeo

Well, inflatable clothing is also allowed and that's considered "RL inflation". This is only in reference to the potentially dangerous acts of stupid self-inflation practices such as the influx of "I want to burst!" people who want to tear open their insides and potentially DIE from their actions.  IN REAL LIFE.

That is what Luther doesn't want this site to be connected to.

Lopni

Let me respectfully add, that spambot filter could use a helping hand

 

TLDR

"I want to burst!" people might end this site, yet we have an example of inflation site taken down for another reason - because of spambot attack posting links to illegal content, like the ones you can see on the front page of BodyInflation (comments to thread Buoyancy and a few others)

Such attack, only more massive have ended InflateChan

Solutions against botnet attack are not administrative. Meaning, no matter how fast is site administrator at typing some clever commands on the keyboard - he/she will be overrun, as has happened with Captain. Reliable solutions are on hardware and software levels - buying programs and buying electronic devices, ideally both, with several lines of defence. It costs $$$

Considering that, if we are really, really caring for BodyInflation, we might ask our host how much he needs for necessary upgrades and lend him our collective hand

Because life-threatening IRL practices are of some concern, maybe, someday - but immediate threat is elsewhere

Jakubxx
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"I want to burst!" - It's more like fantasy speaking than actually doing it :V  They just saying that they might burst soon, or "Im so full...frw more pumps and i gonna burst! Yes!" are just imagination and fantasy like with blimp like inflation or blubberry. You own brain and body will stop you from comite "suicide" so you would stop yourself from "popping" aka tearing your belly.

I doing RL inflation for 4 years now, i jokes about "I gonna burst" or "I want to burst" but i never plans to for real burst and only idiots would think that i really want to do that by just saying that.

Also, dont call something what you CAN"T do a stupid please. It's not dangerous if you own a BRAIN and you know when to stop or how much you can hold.

Lopni

it's a pity you have been on errands last month, pan Jakub - you've missed some serious fun here. And the way Luther, Daniel and others relate it - is very mildly spoken ^_^

Jakubxx
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So there were trolls who talk stuff that would put those who inflate in RL into big troubles?

Lopni

yes. Tell me, have you ever seen our super-heroine so animated? That's how convincing they were ^_^

...and it's awesome harazdous links are no longer with us!

Arthiers

I think that some purge in the topics is always neccessary, there may be many dead threads without any useful information, but I disagree with this idea (not the decision, you're the administrator, so you are allowed to do what you want), since this is a body inflation site, so it has to represent all branches of this fetish - if you don't want to face some legal troubles due to some failed attempts, just write some information on the homepage that this site doesn't take any responsibility of what other people do at home or something ...

Honestly, to say that real inflation is another fetish than "fantasy inflation" is the same as if you say that American English isn't English because it isn't spoken in England... -.-

LutherVKane
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since this is a body inflation site, so it has to represent all branches of this fetish

This isn't true. I've always intended for this site to have a fairly narrow focus. It wouldn't be viable in the long term otherwise.

Arthiers

Well allright then, I respect that. But these sites have always encouraged me in both ways...

airtankgirl5
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Utter rubbish.  IRL inflation is another totally different fetish.  Ooodles of fantasy inflationists never have anything to do with IRL.  They are not mutually exclusive but they are discrete sets.

(My ex-husband was British.  It's only barely the same language)

Arthiers

...wtf? O.o

It's the same, one language, one fetish. It doesn't mean that if you don't do one special thing, you cannot be considered to be a part of one fetish.... E.g. Someone may like BSDM but (s)he avoids to use a whip - that doesn't mean that (s)he cannot be a BDSM fetishist. The same can we say about the language as well - the fact that someone enjoys fall instead of autumn or pronounces "shark" without "r" doesn't mean that (s)he speaks another language.

airtankgirl5
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Failure of premise.
Denying the antecedent.
Argument by analogy.

Take your pick.

The website does not HAVE to represent all aspects of inflation.  It doesn't have to do anything more than the owner wishes.  There is no contract, there isn't even an implied agreement.  Any such is inferred.

It's not one fetish.  I'm an inflationist, not a RL inflationist.  Yes, by not doing one thing, that excludes me from being a part of one fetish.  If I'm an inflationist and I don't do RL inflation then that specifically denies the antecedent.

An equally apt (and wrong) analogy would be that I'm an inflationist therefore I like furry inflation.  Which is not the case.  The broad brush is absent of specificity.

Not taking the piss either.

TTF (That's the fuck)

Arthiers

Still, it doesn't make any sense - it's only your opinion - when I joined this site in 2003 (as another account I lost later), I thought it really represents all aspects of inflation because it really looked like so and I could find all although things changed later. It's ONE fetish, only some specifics may differ, that are the preferences - and the fact that the administrator decided that real practising "oficially" sucks is only HIS opinion just like YOURS but it doesn't change the nature of the fetish itself.

It's not like I would like defend the real inflation, I just hate when someone says that something isn't valid just because (s)he says so.