Anthro Art

Most furry artists have a snobbish hatred of anything human...so why shouldn't it be the other way around?

I don't have anything against furry art per se. I just consider it to be outside of the scope of this site. There are a number of other sites where such art can be displayed, and I'd rather keep this BodyInflation.org's focus within a fairly narrow range.

I was considering the "Some of my best friends are furs" line, but that always seems to ring hollow.

As for why so many other people are fur-averse, I don't really know.

Don't forget the "I haet gurlz" line from there, too. :roll:

However, CattyN just outlined a good reason why it's different when people associate hentai with anime/manga and yiff art with furry works. They may often have eyes the size of saucers, but they're still fictional humans. To the Big Boys' eyes, this is more profitable because it's less taboo.

I disagree. Inflation turns me on, but when the inflatee starts having an orgasm, or there is sex involved in any way, I usually, usually, turn away. Imagining yourself in the act is not necessary to have a sexual attraction to the fantasy.

Big Horse's Heidi comic is a favorite of mine. I dont think she as a furry looks sexy (which she sort of does cuz she gets these huge hips), but I fixate on the fact she is inflating, not on wanting to have sex with her. That doesnt even cross my mind, so for me its not a bestiality thing.

Damn it, even that Tiny Toons clip with Rubella turns me on, and Im not ashamed to say it. Cartoons got me into this anyway.

Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse are NOT furries. They are a Mouse and a Bunny respectively. But when you have people drawing themselves as animals/anthro characters, that's a furry. I wouldn't even consider the anime cat-girl a furry. There really is a fine line between the two and it's easy to confuse them. But i'll just state this: Bugs Bunny and Mickey Mouse and all the others you suggested are NOT furries.

Ugh, I'm not gonna bother arguing here. I've already done it before and again and again. You're not gonna agree with me, and I'm not gonna agree with you. If you want we can continue this in e-mail form or PM's. But i'm tired of debating a futile argument on 3 seperate forums.

Budace...

Ok...whatever you care to believe. I thought we were talking about the furry inflation community, not the anthro community in general...although I would still disagree with you. Everywhere I've visited in the anthro community, there an awful lot of anthro artists who wear that "I hate hyoomans" line like a badge of honor. I just get a little fisky with the way you are categorizing most anthro artists out to be super-open-minded and most human inflation artists out to be close-minded.

If you want to post furry inflation art there are the places I mentioned previously for that material. I have a hard time understanding why people feel need to make EVERY website an "anything goes" kind of place.

By the way Budace...I like your art, and I have nothing personally against you. I just don't see it your way. So there's no reason to call me a "Fuk". :wink:

thank you for pointing that out! You put it a bit more clearly than I did.

Well like anything else, furries is a preference. Some people like it, some people don't. The hatred towards furries comes from the dark underbelly of it all; the porn. A couple years ago, most of the general public was introduced to furries through the help of television. MTV did some sort of special on the subject matter.
And guess what part they focused on?

That's right.
bow chicka bow bow.

I didn't have MTV to see it. But I sure as hell was around on many general forums that were ranting and discussing it. The episode focused on topics that made the community an absolute freakshow. From fursuiters to plush lovers, they were all associated with the furry comunity and showed the public that this is what it was all about. Pictures of naked gazelle women having sex with a lion on rainbow in outer space, Screwin' with animals toys and people dressing up in mascot uniforms and doing the nasty. It was pretty much pseudo beastiality. Do I have to tell you that any normal person would find that distubring?

It doesn't stop there. One or two years ago, the hit TV show CSI did an episode on furries. The episode was about a homicide at a furcon where some fursuiter killed another fursuiter. The episode was filled with awkward moments complete with the CSI crew walking in on a fursuiter orgy.

Sure, there is the clean side of the furry community. But they are completly drowned out by the dark. They don't really have a good leg to stand on. I notice the community is always desperate to associate popular succesfull characters into their community in an effort to show more of the good side. But it often degenerates to what constitutes as a furry and what doesn't.

The difference here is that anime has a good leg to stand on. Yes, hentai does spring to mind whenever I see anime (thank you Internet >_>; ), but there is also the succesfull good side of anime that prevents it from being only asssociated with porn.

I hope this all made sense. I'm too lazy to reread this. Ha!

I dont hate furries, because furries dont interfere with what I look for.

I am beginning to hate blueberry expansion because in most searches I do anywhere, I find blueberry under inflation and that frustrates. Furries dont do that. I like a few furry inflations. Like I said, cartoons got me into this anyway. But, going through puberty, women took the most space (if you want to see it as a pun...) when it came to liking inflation.

I like furries, but I dont like furry inflation. This doe not turn me on. I tryed rp some furry inflation scenes at Furcadia but I didnt realy enjoy it.
But I like cartoon inflation. For me, when I think about Roger Rabbit being inflated (I really enjoy this) I dont see a furry being inflated, I see a cartoon char. For me, furries are a completelly different thing.

"etymologically", DC. no h.

re-read the deffinition i posted of inflation, straight off of dictionary.com. "Distention with a fluid or gas". Hrmmm.... *scratches chin*

Look, I'm not saying you HAVE to like berry inflation, just like I don't like strictly belly inflation, but by this time we are all aware of your preference. It's now seeming like your trying to wage a one man crusade against the form.

You don't like it? Fine! But we don't need to hear about it every other post from you.

That is all.

-AWN

Well i'm actually a furry =)
The only real reason I got into being one was because of the wide based inflation/gain potential it had. Ive been a fur and RPing inflation stuffs for about 6 years or so now.
I have a girlfriend in rl, nothing compares to the thought of her inflating or blowing me up. She's human.
As a fur i'll admit I do enjoy it, if only for the RP an friend's i've made.
I do prefere human inflation most the time though.
Strange no? Then again I annoyed the community by being a frog. Hey we can't all be foxes an stuff hah. I've always been interested in herptiles so I chose to play as that. I have a whole room of exotic animals/vivariums here. Again, personal preference.

I'll admit a lot of the furries can be annoying about humans. At the end of the day i'm a human with a bit of a taste for inflation, no matter how it comes and goes.

So yeah. I have some good furry friends, yet I also hate a majority of furries too.

*Shrugs* I'm gonna go have breakfast now =P

I'm a long time lurker around here, and while I know that this debate is probably headed for a close here's my take on the whole issue of anthro art its playa hatas and participators. Let's just say that Cattyn's standard argument is only 1/10th of the law.

I'd say that there are two major flaws with most anthropomorphic art/fandom I've seen nowadays.

1) The world of furries is sadly one of the most poorest income fandoms around. As many people have noted anime may have its porn, sci-fi or other sf media fandoms with there freaks and geeks and even comics and video games have their shares of troubles with the "mainstream" not getting them. But what, you may ask is at the heart of their continuing growth and success?

Patronage. Old fashioned cold hard cash, and the organized patrons who fund the activities. A consistant theme that each and every one of the fandoms mention and their success in penetrating the "mainstream" audiences are the financial backers and mid to high income consumers that support these works. In turn, you eventually get academic acceptance and analysis of said sub-cultures, which in turn attracts elites and more high income consumers to support them.

In time this means Star Trek, a once failed show evolves into a franchise to the point that even the ditziest cheerleader at school can map out patrick stewarts bald spot. Its this same patronage system that gave Britian back Doctor Who with some the most successful prime time ratings upon its return (and helmed by all people, Russell T. Davies, the man who gave us the original Queer as Folk). Its reason that we've gotten the best treatment of Hayao Miyazaki movies in North America. Every one who's an anime fan should give a least John Lasseter from Pixar a hat tip for this, AND Roger Ebert. It's why moral cruaders keep running after iD and Rockstar for games way past their prime (hint, its really for cash extortion folks), and why goofballs like Grossman still rant about Doom, a video game we've all moved on from.

To put it succinctly, the formula is this:

Grassroots fandom -> income ->commerce ->Patron -> Academia -> mainstream.

Problem is, from my vague interest in furry fandom from my teen years (well it was what six months?), a running theme is that many furries are well, poor. It's a fandom for low income folks, thus it will never attract the high levels of commerce and academic interest required to earn its respect and to be accepted or tolorated by the general public.

Now that's one theory down. Now for those of you who may doubt this theory check out books like Scott McCloud's Reinventing Comics or go to sites like The Beat http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/, or check out Game Over Press Start To Continue by David Sheff and Andy Eddy for examples of niche market activism and organization breakthroughs.

Now topic numero duo, the other half.

Now this next theory, may possibly offend any women reading this thread, but you're more than welcome to take it apart.

I've known numerous folks in university who took business and marketing classes, and the one common thread that will be mentioned in any conversation about demographics is who is the bigger spender in a family, the husband or the wife?

The most common answer you will get from anyone who works in marketing, is that the while males may have high disposible incomes at certain age ranges, women are more consistant spenders.

In order for a fandom or a niche activity to take off amongst the general populace, you need to have a healthy and active female fanbase to make it fly. The explosive growth of anime per say, truly took off in North America when more girls and women took a more active approach in supporting fandom and its byproducts.

Furry fandom by contrast seems far more heavily male oriented than others from my observations, and as such seems a lot more distant in welcoming new people into its fold. And it seems to have a harder edge should anyone take an interest.

Third, I might as well chime in about an agreement about the art. Like awittyname and CattyN have both commented, there's a severe lack of imagination and technnique I find in most. There's always on emphasis on cats, dogs, foxes, dragons, horses, maybe an elephant or two. But darn it what about the animals that consistantly get the shaft. The Trilobyte, Aurochs, cockroaches, the great Auk, the stag and dung beetle, the turbut fish, sea urchins, mata rays, and other unglamorous species that constantly get the shaft in furry art. Dang it where's the hot anthro version of Cuttlefish yuri love making and for that matter where's my Nautilus yoai art people! :twisted:

Please do not take that last paragraph seriously... :lol:

Plxlinixy

Anthro/furry stuff isn't really my thing. I'll only really be interested in something that is anthro if it really looks like a human... human face, body shape etc... with the only 'anthro' parts being skin colour and perhaps a tail and ears. and then I just imagine the anthro stuff isn't there... I don't hate it, it just doesn't turn me on, hence I don't look at your work if you say it is anthro and don't both with feedback... maybe you re posting it in the wrong place, maybe there just aren;t many anthro fans on here... Also, with feedback, all us artists have it the same, people will look at, download and enjoy your work, but seldom give feedback, even though my work is well suited to this site, I get hardly any feedback on it here.

I don't mind furries at all. They have a way of maintaining a childish charm. Ex: Tom and Jerry trying to kill each other, its funny. Two actual people, it becomes violent. Sorta like chibi drawings but furrier.

And Budace, I wouldn't mind taking a look at your work, if ya can get me a link.

*shrugs* Okay... I think I might've pick a wrong or too broad of a comparison.

Yousuck - Remember this: "Don't like it? don't look at it." Simple enough.

Everyone else - Personally, I really don't mind looking at Anthros. In fact, I really don't mind any kind of artwork. If I do find art I don't like, I just avoid it like the plague.

That's my two cents here.

wildtraveller - "Dont like it dont look" its a pretty lame excuse for anything. Besides, the "dont like dont look" factor isnt what we are talking about here, and what Yousuck said was taken out of context.

Also, I think you dont need to remind any of us of that phrase, you know, because of what this site is about...

I like furry and human inflation.
It's just a question of taste I think.

Btw I almost read more about bestiality here than in the furry fandom I know, putting the word beside the furry term, I mean the people I met for those 10 passed years.
I think i'm lucky for not meeting so often those human haters, bestiality fans and the furry term clearly doesn't mean those things to me.

I keep on enjoying it my way, as a fantasy that doesn't exclude humans, au contraire.
It's kinda sad not finding even a few work of some really really good furry inflation artists we can find on furaffinity for example, like Gill Panda, Nathanounce (with 3D rendered videos), Blue dragon, Jaeh Bird, Muzz and many others.

But anyway, the Internet is big (and big is good, right ? :D) so there's a place for everyone.
So I go on both Bodyinflation.org and Furaffinity.net and my psycho goes ok :D

Wow a 6 year old necro post. God damn that is some dedication.

And yes I am aware of posting in a necro thread.