I can't stand these people who are so ignorant that they think inflation fetishists are somehow sick. What do you do to talk with these closed-minded idiots?
Grr...
Sun, 10/22/2006 - 06:24
#1
Grr...
Sun, 10/22/2006 - 17:06
#3
No, I don't draw inflation, not just yet anyway. I was looking at a piece by someone who missed the point of inflation art (i.e., got it confused with WG and judged that instead), which didn't bother me one bit. What really got me was people commenting saying inflation art is "sick", "twisted", and yes, even "degrading". These are the kinds of people who I wish would die in car fires.
Sun, 10/22/2006 - 17:23
#4
Inflate123
I hate to say it, but I try to just accept it. We're off the norm--we're never going to be fully accepted or understood. There's a mental disconnect for everybody else where we have an unusual direct connect. "Inflation? Sex? Why, of course! How could it be seen any other way?" :)
What if we were socially accepted? It might make for some interesting new porn videos, but I kind of like the fact that we have a secret club. We don't have to explain ourselves, and they don't know who we really are.
I guess if you do find yourself in a shouting match or a discussion with someone who calls you a freak, all you can really say is "There's a lot of stuff out there that doesn't get a lot of attention." Don't insult them, don't suggest that they are closed-minded--just remind them that there are billions of people in the world and some of them have crazy ideas.
I have always asserted that I can accept that I was a freak but at least I knew I wasn't alone. Our community has always been my ultimate salvation.
Sun, 10/22/2006 - 17:28
#5
Yea I know what you mean. The fact that I like some stuff that seems normal to me, but otherwise "strange and exotic" to others, always kinda killed me a little, but considering the fact that we do have a nice little secret club, totatly makes it worthwhile.
Sun, 10/22/2006 - 21:16
#6
I met someone who thinks it's a form of pornography and therefore is not art. What I wondered about is why they don't go harass people who draw mainstream hentai. The answer is because they're afraid of different things. That in itself doesn't make them ignorant, but the fact that they refuse to see it from a "sick pervert's" point of view does.
Sun, 10/22/2006 - 22:24
#7
darth_clone19
Recently I got into an argument with some guy who made negative comments to a morph Hellresident did on deviantart. I called him naive, and he started this pointless discussion on how I used the word naive out of context.
Anyway, I do believe people who consider us freaks are really naive, probably people that still think that the human is a divine construct, and anyone that deviates from that is a freak and has to be shunned. Also, they may be people who actually think weird and sick are synonyms. Yes, this is a VERY weird fetish, but sick? Give me a break. You know whats sick? Michael Jackson going unscathed after having sex with a child. Thats sick.
People got their terminologies all confused. Sadly, even pointing this out doesn't solve the problem, though it may give someone a defense beyond just saying people have strange thoughts, which at the end of the day, should be the only thing to help someone understand one is not a "freak".
Mon, 10/23/2006 - 01:28
#8
Exactly. It's not like this is a very old sort of fetish, since it's only really been around for as long as cartoons have (which is one good thing about this fetish, everyone's pretty young), and I think that's why people are so averse to it. Stuff like bondage has been around much longer, and people still think it's strange, and even sick. So what chance does inflation fetishism have in the near future to be accepted? Almost nil. The bright spot is that we're the pioneers of this fetish, and when the member count on this site goes from 2,000 to 100,000. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that some people just can't handle different things.
This is why I hate humanity as a species...
Mon, 10/23/2006 - 06:46
#9
Inflate123
Good point re: weird vs. sick. The latter definitely involves a moral judgement and I suppose it's hard not to make one. But a lot of people do make the leap from "I don't understand it" to "I'll make a moral judgement."
I've never felt our interest was sick. But that's easy for me to say because I share it. :) Weird? Hell yes. But mostly harmless.
Though there are others who would argue it's anything but harmless because it objectifies women...
Mon, 10/23/2006 - 13:18
#10
Fourtunatly, my girlfriend deemed the fetish "wierd" instead of "sick".
Most normal minded people will do that. However, the internet creates people who look to be offended, and they are going to go out and start fights for the sake of ego.
Mon, 10/23/2006 - 18:49
#11
Vertigo wrote:
...It's not like this is a very old sort of fetish, since it's only really been around for as long as cartoons have (which is one good thing about this fetish, everyone's pretty young)...
I am not here to start a flame war or any such thing I merely wish to point out that nobody can be sure how young or old the fetish is, surely as long as man has had sexual encounters with women and vice versa there have been sexual perversions, who is to say that inflation is not as old as bondage? Since there are no real records of them in history...all we know is how long it has been around on the internet, and even so it has been around for a long time, since before many of us even had the internet I believe.
And not everyone is "pretty young" it is merely that younger generations are now discovering our "network" as it were and realising that they are not alone. There are still a good majority of fetishists aged 30+ that frequent the community. So yes it isn't that old as far as it's presence (sp?) on the internet is concerned, but as a fetish...well who knows :\
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Mon, 10/23/2006 - 20:03
#12
darth_clone19
This fetish may be in existence since forever, who knows? People didnt talk about these things openly. Its pretty obvious for a man to picture a woman growing in any way. She gets pregnant, he likes it, then afterwards he imagines how it would be if it didnt take nine months for her to get huge. In 10,000 years someone must have thought it before balloons were invented. lol Besides, things in nature, besides people, also inflate. If a human can connect a bird's wings an a person, creating an angel, someone who saw a blowfish might have pictured another person inflating, maybe liking it.
Inflate123:
I have spoken about the objectification of women with many people and I have concluded, as well as other people I know, that people using the objectification of women as a defense is corny, and mostly wrong too. All sex is objectification. If it wasnt, there wouldnt be sex. No matter how much you love a person, one looks for a certain something in their sex. If the woman doesn't deliver, the guy feels bummed out. There's that tiny little thing in your brain saying, "if only she had sex with me the way I like it". Thats objectification. Women do it too. With that in mind, saying a fetish artwork is objectification is not admitting that sex in general is. Sure, we want to have sex with a person we love, but thats cultural. Yet, wanting a certain sexual pleasure from your partner is universal. If not universal, at least its general.
Im not saying you said it was objectification, although it is, but what sexual thing isnt? So when someone says you are seeing women as objects, you have a defense now.
Mon, 10/23/2006 - 20:38
#13
Said objectification just seems a bit more (pardon the pun) overblown when the subject is expanded, however. Simple, straight pornography is one thing; expansion seemingly wants to "force" a fantastical state on the subject. It's more overt, especially when it's defined as "fetish" material.
People who use such strong adjectives as "sick" to define our ilk and somehow aren't trolling are indeed naive, considering the broad spectrum of human sexual oddities that is the Internet.
In regards to actual trolls, I have a simple, succinct, and practical approach: don't feed them.
Tue, 10/24/2006 - 00:08
#14
darth_clone19
hajile wrote:
Said objectification just seems a bit more (pardon the pun) overblown when the subject is expanded, however. Simple, straight pornography is one thing; expansion seemingly wants to "force" a fantastical state on the subject. It's more overt, especially when it's defined as "fetish" material.People who use such strong adjectives as "sick" to define our ilk and somehow aren't trolling are indeed naive, considering the broad spectrum of human sexual oddities that is the Internet.
In regards to actual trolls, I have a simple, succinct, and practical approach: don't feed them.
Well, on those terms, sure, one seems to be forcing a state, but all in all, its always about objectification. If people understood that, then they'd tried to come up with a more rational attack to the fetish, which of course they wont be able to find because there isnt. When you try to label something without making an effort, its irrational.
Thu, 10/26/2006 - 16:55
#15
hajile wrote:
...considering the broad spectrum of human sexual oddities that is the Internet.
Case in point: 4chan.
Fri, 10/27/2006 - 02:22
#16
darth_clone19
What really irks me, especially about assholes in deviantart is that they somehow think that just because its on the internet and potentially everyone has access to it, then they have a right to insult you.
You know when your mom went to see the teacher cuz she said you made stupid questions? Mom went because if teacher says you make stupid questions, the teacher is also calling you stupid. Same thing with saying this is somehow disgusting.
Its not like we are child molesters for god's friggin sakes. People just dont understand it AT ALL, and want to justify themselves to being ignorant about it and just want free passes for insulting people in the face. "Oh, its in the internet so I say whatever I want"
Well, honestly I keep this a secret from people. But you're an artist right? Lemme guess. It was some idiot on Deviantart trashing your work? If that is the case at all, just ignore that kinda stuff. Someone who belittles us for this fetish probably has an even weirder one and is trying to overcompensate by taking it out on you.