Do you actually consider it porn?

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dejected_Xmas
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Do you actually consider it porn?

Does anyone actually consider most inflation art and stories porn? they seem less-so and more "thats cute" now adays.

KorgFal

I guess it greatly depends on what specific story or art you are referring to. I do not consider my stories porn at all, adult erotica sure because the idea is to be turned on by it etc. But that's it.

Pass_The_Printa

I'm sure that pixar cartoon that MY MOM showed me when I was 3 is neither. 

 

but still, the switch was flippened. 

darth_clone19
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I consider porn and erotica the same thing, so I guess i do consider it porn.

If porn is to be understood as something in poor taste, than I guess no.

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airtankgirl5
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Yup.

kuumuzu
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Yup.

Seconded.

LittlePumpkin

Depends on my mood.
Sometimes yes(but more in the erotical way like other said), but other moments it is just something what makes me very happy.

I like it that this site is not full of 'dirty' words and sentences. That makes it more accessible for shy people like me.

(urgh, crappy english. -_-)

hellview_666
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I wouldn't consider it porn, per se. Erotica and porn share the same domain, but erotica becomes porn when a certain line is crossed.

deleted_20091014

I tend to prefer the term erotica... porn implies to me something more explicit and more gratuitous.

Vertigo

It's a strange thing to consider because it's difficult to compare to traditional pornography. In the sense that the sight of an inflated subject will, to put it as cleanly as possible, excite me, then yes, it certainly has a pornographic effect on me. While it's not explicit, it achieves a profound effect, and I think that's what counts.

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Dude.Inflatable

To twist an old saying, "porn is in the eye of the beholder." But yeah, I do keep this in the bedroom. ;P

darth_clone19
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Carnatic, isnt the point to be gratuitous? You implied it in another thread :p

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hfilled

If there's no penis/vaginal stuff going on, it's erotica. If there is, it's porn (IMO).

hellview_666
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hfilled wrote:
If there's no penis/vaginal stuff going on, it's erotica. If there is, it's porn (IMO).

Seconded on this one :)

deleted_20091014
darth_clone19 wrote:
Carnatic, isnt the point to be gratuitous? You implied it in another thread :p

perhaps, but there are grades of gratuity.

A story about two people who meet and fall in love and have a passionate affair would be erotica, the sex in that isn't so gratuitous.

A story about a plumber who comes to plumb the sink and randomly ends up plumbing the housewife is more gratuitous that this.

Yousuck

When I wank to it, it's porn.

zelda
Yousuck wrote:
When I wank to it, it's porn.

That about sums it up. I'm sure there are people out there who think bondage and sex are cute, too. I doubt anyone would jump to defend them, though.

I'm a guy. Stop messaging me thinking I'm a girl. If I was, I doubt I would even talk to you anyway.

often_insane_man
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When I wank to it, it's porn.

By far the most straight forward way of putting it, seconded

I want you to shave your beard, nail it to a frisbee, and fling it over a rainbow

hellview_666
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Yousuck wrote:
When I wank to it, it's porn.

*shrugs* can't argue with that haha

dejected_Xmas
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Yousuck wrote:
When I wank to it, it's porn.

I lol'd

Inflate123
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I always assume anyone outside our circles would see it as porn, so I accept that and have assumed it myself. I don't feel bad about it.

deleted_20091014

Not entirely sure, I think some of the people who bash us on DA (and some of the people who don't) aren't aware that it is erotic to us at all.

AlecDeluxe
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I'm with hfilled: It's erotica, which is not necessarily porn. Taking the "I know what porn is when I see it" argument, I don't think anyone outside the inflation community would read a story about inflating people and think it was a sexual thing (if, obviously, there were no overt sexual references in it). But I can look at an XXX flick and say, "That's porn," whether or not it turns me on. Is that a subjective standard? Of course, just as much artistic criticism is.

I want to pop so much I could burst!

Fukureru-Shogun

Whats really the difference between Erotica and Porn, though? It seems like an arbitrary distinction to me.

Inflate123
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My distinction: Erotica aspires to be art, to offer some commentary on the human condition, whereas porn exists to simply and directly appeal to base urges.

In other words, erotica is classy and porn ain't.

And I totally agree that it's subjective and arbitrary.

Tinmible
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In other words, erotica is classy and porn ain't.

Perhaps that's the ticket to DA ban evasion. To circumvent my pictures from simply being branded as porn, I will now draw all my characters wearing a monocle.

If that's not classy, I don't know what is.

Inflate123
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Tinmible wrote:
I will now draw all my characters wearing a monocle.

If that's not classy, I don't know what is.

I say -- jolly good thinking, old chap!

airtankgirl5
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I'm pretty sure I'm writing porn, although I like the monocle idea. Who wants to see an alternative universe with evil, monocle wearing Airtankgirl & Bubbles?

Drybonesx
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I'm pretty sure I'm writing porn, although I like the monocle idea. Who wants to see an alternative universe with evil, monocle wearing Airtankgirl & Bubbles?

You would still need a top hat and cane. Though then your telling a story about Mr. Peanut...

I'm mean. 

dejected_Xmas
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Drybonesx wrote:
airtankgirl5 wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm writing porn, although I like the monocle idea. Who wants to see an alternative universe with evil, monocle wearing Airtankgirl & Bubbles?

You would still need a top hat and cane. Though then your telling a story about Mr. Peanut...

not if you ad a twirly mustache.

often_insane_man
dejected_Xmas wrote:
Drybonesx wrote:
airtankgirl5 wrote:
I'm pretty sure I'm writing porn, although I like the monocle idea. Who wants to see an alternative universe with evil, monocle wearing Airtankgirl & Bubbles?

You would still need a top hat and cane. Though then your telling a story about Mr. Peanut...

not if you ad a twirly mustache.

Then it's just a fancy Pringles guy

I want you to shave your beard, nail it to a frisbee, and fling it over a rainbow

Pass_The_Printa

Dress her up in 1776 attire and she's the quaker oats guy

deleted_20091014

dictionary definitions:

pornography: obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.

creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire

erotica:
literature or art dealing with sexual love.

So basically erotica is a larger umbrella term for any sexually explicit material, but pornography is specifically that which has little or no other artistic merit.

It isn't so clean cut though, Wikipedia has this to say:

Distinction is often made between erotica and pornography (as well as the lesser known genre of sexual entertainment, ribaldry), although depending on the viewer they may seem one and the same. Pornography's objective is the graphic depiction of sexually explicit scenes. Pornography is often described as exploitative or degrading. One person's pornography is another's erotica, and vice-versa. In other words, if a politician or priest finds a work containing only consenting adults "perverted", then it says more about the mental state of the accuser than the intentions of the photographer or viewer. The dictionary also uses different emotive words to describe the same product. Erotica is "Explicitly sexual literature or art, concerning or arousing sexual pleasure." Pornography is "Writings, pictures, films etc. designed to stimulate sexual excitement." Even the dictionary's authors couldn't avoid bringing emotion into their definitions. Erotica is described using the gentle word "arousing" whereas pornography gets the "stimulate", a much colder, clinical definition.

The Ukrainian government defines porn as detailed images of coitus or naked gentials for sexual stimation's sake with no artistic or educational value. The Canadian supreme court specifically defines porn apart from erotica with the words "degrading and dehumanising"

An Indian journalist makes a similar case in this article: Don't confuse porn with erotica

Personally I see a lot of our work as erotica rather than porn because while it aims to stimulate, it does so by appealing to the imagination of the reader/viewer, using sophisticated plot devices and descriptive writing to create an atmosphere and consume all the reader's senses with the image, allowing them to use their imagination to create their own stimulation... rather than crudely displaying an object of desire which needs no further imaginative effort on the part of the reader/viewer.

It's obviously confused somewhat by the fact that we are talking about fetish erotica... what constitutes a 'simple object of desire' is far more complicated for us than it is in mainstream erotica. The Ukrainian definition clearly doesn't apply to us, as we hardly ever depict coitus or genitalia, we depict inflated humans. Whether our inflated humans are a crude object of desire parallel to the mainstream's genitalia is a matter of debate. As I see it, any depiction of inflation requires some measure of imagination as we try to take something which is not real and use our imaginations to make it real. Because of this, you rarely see simple depiction in our community. Artists and writers, understanding that the reader/viewer must use their imagination must add extra sophistication to their images; for example through sound effects and displays of emotion in drawings, and through the creation of an atmosphere and a deep psychological examination of the inflatee.

Arguably this means I believe that erotica in fetishes that have no real-life manifestation can never be pornography. However, other fetishes such as real-life-infation, scatology etc. can have both erotica and pornography.

Inflate123
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carnatic wrote:
I believe that erotica in fetishes that have no real-life manifestation can never be pornography. However, other fetishes such as real-life-infation, scatology etc. can have both erotica and pornography.

Pretty good case there.

Fukureru-Shogun

I suppose I can concede that you've made some good points.

I have my feelings on the subject, but they really aren't objective, so I'll give this one to you, Carnatic. :)

dejected_Xmas
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Well, HeavyMetal comics is considered both erotica by some and porn by others, so I guess it really just matters on your opinion right?

Joe_Monday

I try not to worry too much about a distinction between erotica and porn; it's subjective an there are as many takes on it as there are people in the world. "Porn" can be a perjorative or just a pop-culture term for explicit sexual content. Sometimes complex and artisitic is what I'm looking for, sometimes direct and to-the-point is fun too. And that's all OK.

My brain takes the concept of body inflation as erotic; that's just the way I'm wired so it's all good to me... but socially it's all NSFW one way or another.

Of course, since the whole concept is erotic to those of us with the interest, a cartoon inflation gag or Aunt Marge in a Harry Potter movie or Violet Beuregarde may be just amusing bits to the "normal" population, but to us it's like a wardobe malfunction on the Super Bowl halftime show...

wynonna
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Porn is often something that's observer relevent. If something causes you to, um, "put your hand in your pants," then it's probobly porn to you.  Also, one person's porn, can also be another's gross-out.

For me the whole vore/inflation scene is just a fun whimisical fantacy thing. Along the lines of a Harry Potter movie or something.

As a case study, let's look at the somewhat popular foot fetish.  So there was thins guy on the radio side of the broadcast station I used to work for with a bigtime foot fetish, and he didn't care who knew! In the summer he's sit there and look out his weather observation window and watch the reporters walk across campus in sandals, and sitere like, "oh look at that tease." "Oooo, that vixen knows what she's doing to me."  He was kinda older to so, even more creepy. Then when the hippi chicks in TV production came in with their filthy flip flops started coming in, that just sent him into orbit.  At that point, I'm like Joe, If you wanna get your rocks off to feet, that one thing, but filthy flip flops, that's beyound nasty!

Pumpy McPump
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Not at all but i guess depends on how you see it