Floating for Real?

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Floating for Real?

If you were given a opportunity to float in the air for real....would you do it?

 

I do have a way to make it real.

darius

how can you do it??

Pskunkman001
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Found some balloons that can lift over 100lbs and are good sized and not extremely huge.

 

klaeresource

Not to, ah, burst your bubble, but how is that any different than hanging by wires (or whatever harness you plan to use) from a ceiling? The average person can get a better "floating" sensation jumping into a deep body of water. There are also vertical wind tunnels, for those with the money to indulge an exotic sport. Those with access to a small plane might indulge a few seconds of freefall, isolated from the terminal velocity wind of a parachute jump. And if you've really got connections, maybe you can hitch a ride on NASA's "vomit comet." Those with the big bucks will soon be able to indulge a ride with Virgin Galactic.

The moonbase with the big gymnasium may be a long wait.

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The balloons are only used to counter balance you. What will give you the sensation of floating per-say is the inflatable suit that you wear and fill with helium. Even for the seriers From the Earth to the Moon, they used balloons to simulate the moons gravity. Making the actors weighing only 1/6th of their weight.

 

 

oh2bpreg
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Using what?  Hydrogen?  If you ever watched Mythbusters, you'd know it's not realistic to do it with helium.  It took an awful lot of weather ballons (which aren't small) to lift Adam off the ground and an insane amount of regular party balloons to lift a 3 year old kid.

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No Helium and two sphere balloons. The cluster balloon setup is too big. And yes I watch Mythbusters all the time. That episode was for a movie myth. What I'm using has a lifting capacity of 139 lbs and the size is small. And I know of a place that makes them at a good price.

oh2bpreg
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What do you consider "small"?  Math says for a balloon to be able to lift 139 pounds with helium, it would need to be over 15 feet in diameter.

airtankgirl5
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Whoops, wrong place.

 

Pskunkman001
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The balloons I want to use are 20' in diameter.

eljacko15
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Eh. Sounds really dangerous to me. You'd need to do it indoors. Or, keep yourself tied down to something.

Pskunkman001
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Yes it would be done indoors, but you would have to be on a tether and have the control valve near you.

CorpulentArtifice
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Well, if inflation-themed art and literature are any indication, the tether will most likely break, and either the control valve will jam or one will inevitably be unable to reach it, so one would be wise to prepare accordingly.

Formerly known as SignoreMirtillo

Pskunkman001
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Yes, being prepared is the key in any project. Along with having several back-up plans if something does go wrong.

eljacko15
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Piggybacking upon this, take care to ensure that you have not recently offended someone in such a manner that might move them to seek revenge by any means necessary.

Jnff
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I'm listening skunk, I like the idea

 

make um big, and make um real.

Pskunkman001
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Ok, here it is.

 

I use 2 20' balloons from here: http://www.southernballoonworks.com/balloons/spheroid-balloons.html

Some 800 lbs test wire, thin so you can't see it.

A riggers harness, find them at Home Depot or other places that sells them.

Tubing, valves, helium, regular balloons or and inflatable rubber suit and a scale.

Assembly...

Start filling the 2 balloons, since they are going to take some time to fill but don't fill them all the way. Just enough to float. Then when they start to take shape, run your wires and make sure that they are secured. Then tether the balloons once the are floating. Next strat putting the harness on, make sure it doesn't pinch you and have comfortable clothes on. Then put your costume (modified) on with the wires from the balloons running through and connecting onto the harness. Double check that everything is secured tightly! Don't want anything coming lose on the next step.

 

Let's Float!

 

Get onto the scale and continue to inflate the balloons. You'll notice that the haress will be pulling on you. You want to inflate the balloons til you about beouant (about a half a pound is reading on the scale). Walk around and feel out how everything is working out. Next, and the fun begins, get a regular balloon and start inflating it (slowly). You should feel yourself starting to floating up. Just don't get carried away...

To get down...deflate the balloon slowly, so you don't hurt yourself. Then deflate the main balloons some, so that you have control and tie them off to something heavy or ridged.

Note: It may take a couple of tries to get the feeling right. Also...ALWAYS have someone to assist you! Safety is the most important factor.

Other: Have the inflation/deflation valve in your hands. If something was to go wrong the you can stop the inflation and start deflating immediately. I would do this indoors and have some floor padding.

 

airtankgirl5
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Dream all you want, there is no way to make this real.  This is not "technically" impossible, but it is effectively impossible.  Helium doesn't have a good lift/volume ratio.  The math isn't there to support this.  So far I see neither evidence of feasibility, nor an actual plan, so I'm calling hijinks.

Pskunkman001
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I do have an actual plan...need space and money.

oh2bpreg
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This still is not very feasible.  According to your own link, the balloons cost $2600 each.  So 2 of those would cost $5200. 

A standard helium tank holds about 290 cubic feet of helium and costs about $135 to rent (lowest price I found.) To fill up those balloons would require approximately 10,000 cubic feet of helium, which means 35 helium tanks (and that's assuming very, very little escapes)  35 x $135=$4725.  So we're at $10,000 (technically, $9925, but we haven't even accounted for the rigging or taxes, or delivery fees)

Now since you have 20' balloons, and you are probably at least 5' tall, that means you'll need to find a big open area with 30' high ceilings.  Realisitically, you'd probably want at least 50' since 30' won't get you very far off the ground at all.  So you're looking at renting an arena.  University of Tennessee-Chattanooga's McKenzie Arena starts at $5000.  So we're now up to $15k.  Plus, it wouldn't be very private as they aren't going to let you just have free run of the place.  Nope, there will be staff there watching you (and that $5k doesn't cover their salaries)

So it would take at least $15k to pull this off, and I think that's being rather conservative.  For that price, you could go on a Zero-G flight (aka Vomit Comet) 3 times.

So 3 flights to experience true weightlessness or just be suspended by a balloon which really doesn't feel any different from being suspended by a bungee cord.  I think most of us would choose the former.

Pskunkman001
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I can get the helium at cost.

Owner of the local welding has been a friend of the family for years.

Also you don't need to fill the balloons all the way to get max lift.

The costs depends on the weight your lifting.

I weigh over 200lbs so I'm going to need the big balloons. But someone lighter will need less.

Pskunkman001
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Also your math is way off...

The 20' balloon at max will need 2723 cu. ft of helium. And a tank is 290 cu. ft.

So 2723 divided by 290 = 9.39 tanks or roughly 10 tanks, 20 tanks in all.

And I can get it at $90-95 a tank, which comes out roughly under $2000.

And when I started this...I came to a budget of under $8000.

oh2bpreg
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A 20' balloon actually has 4,186.6 cu. ft.  But if they say dilute it with air, then fine.  But you still gotta find a nice big open area to set off in.    ZeroG flights cost $4995.  still seems like that the smarter and better way to go.

nineteenthly

I'm probably going to bore you all senseless, but anyway:

Internal inflation followed by floating in the open air on this planet is impossible regardless of the gas used.  Cuddling up to a sufficiently large helium or hydrogen balloon, or for that matter ammonia or methane, and then floating is possible, but at the scale required it's more an unusual method of transport to me than a fetishistic activity, but then i always have a problem with scale and suspension of disbelief.  Many of us here would probably be more than fine with it.

Buoyancy in the usual atmospheric density that stands any chance of a non-exploding victim would need the gravitational pull to be about a hundred times weaker, and of course i've worked out the largest body on which is possible is Enceladus, which is a moon of Saturn.  Given that it has practically no atmosphere, it doesn't really help anyway.

The other way to go is to increase the density of the atmosphere around the inflatee, for instance with sulphur hexafluoride or xenon if you want something harmless, or with real nasties like uranium hexafluoride or radon if you don't care, or putting ordinary air under pressure and filling the person with a lighter gas.  As far as i know though, even the maximum atmospheric densities anyone has survived wouldn't be enough to make buoyancy possible with any feasible amount of lighter-than-air gas inside someone.  The scale of inflation would be completely unfeasible again.

However, most or all people are already lighter than water, so floating on water is completely feasible but also just a matter of course.  Self-inflation in water, which i've tried, leads to an odd effect where one is floating further up, on top of the water rather than in it, and in fact used to be employed by East German Olympic swimming teams to cheat.  Real life inflation in other words!

The other thing is, although it doesn't lead to your whole body floating, i think it probably would lead to internal organs doing so, which i think probably means greater distension in some positions.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

 

Pskunkman001
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Interesting....

airtankgirl5
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One thing that I think some people here are confused about, zero G, and simulated zero G effects through aerobatic manuevers are NOT weightlessness.  They are free fall.  Totally different experiences. 

Jump off, or out, of something really tall.  That thrilling and sickening feeling as you plummet to the ground, the sensation of falling...that's zero G.  Its a lot of things but what it certainly isnt is the tranquil, relaxed feeling of floating (like being underwater and neutrally bouyant).

Indoor skydiving is a little closer except instead of feeling "floaty" you feel pushed up from below. 

 

Toodles :)

Pskunkman001
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Yeah I heard of those places before...but not around where I live.

nineteenthly

It's possible to create the illusion of levitation in various ways though. For instance, you can use a board with a weight at one end balanced on a pivot or a frame under the body with a pole sticking out, and there's a weird group lifting trick where several people lift someone using only a couple of fingers each. So conjuring trick style floating of an inflatee is feasible even if genuine floating isn't.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

 

Pskunkman001
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That is the most common illusionist trick used.

 

If you've been to a magic show before.

LittlePumpkin

Yes, everyone wants to fly! And this one is a very nice way to be free in the air! :D