"Realism"

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Wed, 11/01/2017 - 22:05

caffiene

"Realism"

So, this is something that's kind of been bugging me for a while:

Popping is still something of a touchy subject in the community. The overriding thought being: "well if someone pops they would die, and I don't like people dying." But I'm wondering, why do we draw the line there?

Like, if someone were to be inflated and deflated; it would cause serious harm to their body. Their skin would be stretched out, their muscles shredded; organs squashed; bones displaced. It would be pretty gross; but we all just handwave that and allow people to inflate safely and enjoyably. Yet when it comes to popping we alp say "hold on, let's think about this realistically".

Even other popping fans tend to think of it as a big deal; and my question is: why can't we look at it as cartoonishly and harmlessly as we look at inflation? Just pop and go on with our day? I've been rp'ing (when I do rp) that way for a while, and I'm wondering why everyone doesn't?

...I meant that sarcastically.

Wed, 11/01/2017 - 23:22

Margeret Moonlught

Look, Realism gets along with inflation just as well as it gets along with Godzilla. That is to say, not at all.

It's important to just nudge realism to the side and enjoy inflation as what it is, Otherwise you become just like the retards who dismiss kaiju flicks because they aren't realistic.

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Wed, 11/01/2017 - 23:53

Lopni

^ What Margaret said ^

May I also point that you assume inflation+deflation is twice harder than inflation+popping. That's because you think balloons already know how to pop. But if you look at how real balloons pop and how we imagine it - that's also quite an assumption. It might be easier to assume safe deflation than popping into fairy dust ^_^

Speaking of "balloon death" - the term originates in our own agressive intolerance. We like balloons, we imagine balloons are alive or ourselves are balloons, we like to look at shiny tout sides, to inflate, hug and squish and bounce balloons.

But in our arrogant racism we deprive scraps (which are made of the same latex) of our affection. We don't hug and squish scraps, sometimes we don't even care where they land. We don't imagine scraps as alive, and certainly we don't imagine ourselves as scraps.

In fact when balloon pops, instead of seeing one piece of latex becoming many (which is procreation if anything), we immediately jump to some terrible conclusion.

And thus in most of our fantasy worlds balloons are crowned as sentient beings while fantasy scraps remain in misery we see in real life. It's not fair! ^_^

Thu, 11/02/2017 - 00:36

Auriga

Inflation is Surreal. Real flesh and bone people would die in the very beginning of this horrible painful process. And no pleasure/fun from this for sure.

I'm a fan of realism. And I like inflation. Thus I prefer to assume that my characters already have a body that is filled with air contained inside a stretchy skin-like shell. This is hard to explain either, but its doable and IMHO less implausible.

Thu, 11/02/2017 - 01:30

firnov

You have to take the inflationfetish with a grain of salt. Its all in our fantasy. If you look in it a realistic way, both popping as inflation would be horrible.

Its just that people make a big deal for it by them self. Popping is just a consept. It is a end for a character not "the end". Lets say I want to fantasize about inflating and popping Beyonce. In my mind she blows up to big and pops in a permenent way. Its not if i turn on the radio in real life to hear "we cant play Beyonce songs, because she just died". And the next time I want to fantasize about her. Because she is in a new story to inflate.

My point is dont worry and have some fun, in the end its all fantasy.

And boom goes the inflatee

Thu, 11/02/2017 - 07:45

BttrfliesNHurricanes (not verified)

People love realism and grounding because it increases the suspension of disbelief of the situation and hence makes it easier to imagine. Of course concepts like “this person would die” get zigzagged since it’s easy to only visualize the balloon body and nothing more. Once you hit popping though you’re faced with the ultra realistic concept of your inflatee dying. Kind of hard to handwave/zigzag that.

Unless the popee is meant to somehow “come back” we have to admit that getting off on popping also comes with essentially getting off on the inflatee dying. It’s a rightfully touchy subject but one that can eventually get explained away by remembering that it’s all fantasy. Obviously a lot of people take awhile or never get over that popping dilemma though.

Thu, 11/02/2017 - 15:31

airtankgirl5

It has nothing to do with realisim. It has everything to do with me not being into snuff porn.

Thu, 11/02/2017 - 17:38

caffiene

Ok, I feel like maybe I didn't explain this properly.

Why does popping equal the inflatee dying? Inflation would be harmful if real but we handwave that; yet we treat popping "realistically". Why can't we handwave that the same way we handwave inflation; make it harmless and fun?

I'm advocating for less unnecessary realism. I'd rather just inflate and pop and come back and have fun instead of people getting all uptight about "but but, if somebody popped in real life-"

...I meant that sarcastically.

Thu, 11/02/2017 - 19:06

(Reply to #8) #9

Margeret Moonlught

I dunno, Probably because someone actually exploding due to their internal organs not being able to stretch any more in order to accommodate for whatever's filling them up tends to freak people out. It's like vore, It doesn't matter if the prey comes back, They still got fucking digested.

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Fri, 11/03/2017 - 01:38

(Reply to #10) #10

caffiene

This is my point exactly. Why are you suddenly worried about internal organs when it comes to popping? Do you worry about what kind of internal damage just regular inflation would do? If not, what's the difference?

in case it wasn't clear I'm talking about clean popping, gore grosses me out too.

...I meant that sarcastically.

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 10:23

(Reply to #11) #11

Margeret Moonlught

I don't fucking know, Probably because someone EXPLODING is usually seen as disturbing.

Let's apply this train of thought to a much more disturbing topic, Body horror. It doesn't matter if the person goes back to fucking normal afterwards, They still fucking mutated into a horrible abomination of pulsing flesh and undulating skin.

Inflation as a whole is weird, Not disturbing. It's like a fucking giant monster movie, If it were realistic nobody would have fun.

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Fri, 11/03/2017 - 11:01

(Reply to #14) #12

Lopni

pulsing flesh and undulating skin... ah get ya

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 14:35

(Reply to #11) #13

clovis

Popping represents catastrophic structural failure. If someone is inflated and yet seem to be in no pain, and they are able to talk, breathe, etc. then I don't worry about what's going on internally as everything seems to be going fine. No one's skin should be able to stretch so much, but if the inflatee has accomplished that without harm, then it seems an easy step to assume the rest has been equally accomodating internally.

Thu, 11/02/2017 - 19:05

#14

airtankgirl5

An equally valid question would be: Why wouldn't popping equal the inflatee dying?

Or, what does popping add? Or what does the lack of popping not provide?

You can handwave and make popping harmless and fun. I cannot. Doesn't mean I don't miss your tubby ass ;)

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 01:49

(Reply to #9) #15

caffiene

The same reason inflation doesn't equal bodily harm. We decide not to worry about where exactly the air is going inside us and what that would do to our bodies; so why can't we apply the same simplicity to popping?

And popping is the orgasm analogue. it gives a better endpoint to an rp than just "ok, I'm tired; see you later". It provides closure to an inflation experience. Personally I find it incredibly erotic to know that you reached your limits and just kept going. Kept wanting more and more until you just couldn't take it... :">

I know everyone's got their own taste, I'm just wondering why people can't handwave it. Why you said "cannot" instead of just "I'm not interested". I thought it would be a good topic of discussion for the community.

I miss you too. :p. Maybe I'll reinstall skype one of these days.

...I meant that sarcastically.

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 22:36

(Reply to #12) #16

LutherVKane

The same reason inflation doesn't equal bodily harm. We decide not to worry about where exactly the air is going inside us and what that would do to our bodies; so why can't we apply the same simplicity to popping?

We accept that inflation doesn't cause bodily harm because that's the norm in the genre. It's an unrealistic convention, but something that we've seen so many times that it's easy for us to accept. Kind of like how I don't really think anything of it when I'm watching a sci-fi movie and the ships produce sound in the vacuum of space. Yes, it violates the laws of physics. But it's so common as to be the norm, so much so that when spaceships explode into fireballs and flying debris without a sound, it registers as unusual.

If non-fatal popping were the norm in fiction, then I suspect it wouldn't be as big a deal.

When people inflate, they typically do so without any indications of physical distress. No shrieks of agony, no bursting veins, no sickening pops of dislocating joints. It's easy to accept because we've seen it many times before but only rarely see the gruesome, realistic alternative. Grisly reality is default assumption, but we've been told so many times that the unrealistic is the norm that we accept it without question.

Not so with popping. We assume that a person who explodes dies; there's plenty of material that supports this assumption, and little to contradict it.

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Fri, 11/03/2017 - 02:08

(Reply to #9) #17

Auriga

For me popping MUST be fatal. It's a drama. It's sort of psychodelic. Thats why I don't write a lot of bursting and it is not a lite-fiction for me.

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 10:57

(Reply to #9) #18

leonofpenance

I agree. Honestly popping doesn't add much to a story.

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 11:03

#19

Lopni

Personally, for me realism makes fantasies only better. However realism for me isn't sticking to common sense - it's making fantasies consistent.

Say, if popping is permanent and it kills, then i like characters being aware of it and behaving in a believable way. It's unlikely those who are inflated to be popped would strictly obey the rules that would kill them - it's more likely they'll break any rules to live. It's equally unlikely good old friends, inspired, cheerful and laidback, will gather to pop each other - it's more likely people gathering to pop someone are types that kill people and it will be obvious to the reader that he/she reads about a murder, for consistency of story-telling. It's unlikely people will live for years and will do nothing about the risk of popping - it's more likely they'll use any technology, magic and training available to make inflation as safe as possible.

If popping isn't permanent - as for me i'm a big fan of popping in AR/VR - then i like characters who are aware their popping is virtual. A first-timer might even pass out from experience, but it's unlikely hard-boiled inflatist would have strong feelings against being popped, sometimes they'll pop themselves to save time on deflating and do more that day.

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 18:05

#20

dewj

Throwing my hat into the mix because why not?

The idea of inflation is to simulate the expansion of a balloon or beachball or other inflatable object onto a person. When an inflatable object is filled to the point of explosion, you usually do not try to fix it and just throw it away. The cases where this is not the case is when the object does not fully explode. If an object springs a leak, it is patchable. But to many people, that object is not considered popped if it is easily repairable.

Now to shift this over to the fetish.

A person is considered popped when they have a violent explosion due to overfilling. If it was a small leak that can be patched up, 2 things would occur. 1: People would not consider the subject popped. 2: People would not be disgusted by this action (I assume). When the subject does pop however, they are beyond repair. You can not tape a balloon back together and consider it to be the same as it was before. You can certainly try but it will have some problems when you try to blow it up again. While yes, the act of inflating a person into a balloon type shape would be incredibly harmful to the subject's internals, they would not be beyond repair by the standards of fantasy. People do inflate themselves (not to the extent of balloon shaped) and not get harmed by it.* But anyone who has ruptured a body part, as to say it was torn open to the point it could be considered popped, it would be beyond repair.

To sum this all up, popping a balloon is irreversible so should a human while inflating a balloon is reversible and thus so should a human in a fantasy setting.

*Please don't inflate yourself. It can end up with you dead

Fri, 11/03/2017 - 21:52

#21

darkburster2

Now THIS is a topic for me!

so obviously I'm all about messy nasty popping, I'm not gonna get descriptive for you but that's not the point.

there is a way to incorporate popping and have it not result in death, but merely the fear of death. Say your inflatee is having a nightmare/dream. In the dream they can balloon completly unrealistically and pop- wake up and be fine.

so what is popping for me? I see it as a symbolic conclusion to the event. Essentially the popping itself symbolizes blowing your load, orgasm, an explosion of another kind so to speak. The fear of popping is merely getting the intensity up, building up to a climax- one that in the popping theme, is inevitable. And that inevitability of whether you love ballooning or not- your gonna pop/blow your load- Is what drives the intensity up. The inflation itself represents a buildup of sexual pressure, that becomes too much and the popping is the release of that pressure.

i just hate when someone assumes that becuz I like popping (and man do I love popping) that I get off on death, and that's just not what it's about at all.

As far as messy/gory or not- if it's messy, it completes the "realness" for about as much realism as anyone would care to have in inflation. All that splashing of mess represents something else- and if they just poof into thin air, clean or whatever- it's a cartoony finish to a non cartoony atmosphere and for me it's a boner kill simply for the goofy aspect of it. I almost prefer they don't pop at all if its going down like that. and yes, that's not to say blowing up like a balloon isn't somehow cartoony to begin with, but it's everything aside from that, that matters and sets the mood.

imo, the "fetish" gets to break the rules like that if need be.

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Sat, 11/04/2017 - 07:13

#22

Bustrix

I think it partly has to do with what we (individually) are willing to overlook based on our own preferences and expectations. And little more than that. Every different person has their different levels of 'realism' they want to consider when it comes to their content. Dont forget there is entirely people who prefer the actually realistic inflation (the inflation this site is trying to avoid conversations about, so ill leave it at that) and others which prefer the more fantastical balloon like inflation.

Plus you have to keep in mind that, while you bring up the question of why suddenly people think of bursting as dying, you dont ask the question of why we even consider the realism of reaching a limit to begin with. Why should we stop? why should we not keep stretching indefinitely or simply not pop at all somehow? Its just about what tickles peoples fancy, and what we can overlook.

Personally i can overlook the 'They died, how can you find this sexy' part of popping when its used in a fashion that sort of fits the theme. If its supposed to be as a result of some evil villain or someones trick or trap falling back on them, or simply a case of an unfortunate accident, i can deal with it. But what honestly ruins it for me is when the death is very clearly death and very clearly avoidable yet noone seems to either care its happening or otherwise act like the death is a 'meh, it happens' situation. Downright puts it into the territory of romanticising suicide in my eyes.

Wed, 11/08/2017 - 23:20

#23

Lopni

Does it mean that we care more about inflatee's air being packed together than about her surface?

It's about what's inside, right? ^_^ If she's nicely packed she's all good, but if her air is all around the room we imagine uh oh

It would prove the importance of this Creature of Helium inflatee becomes and rings well with how inflation changes inflatee's mood and thinking...

Tue, 11/14/2017 - 11:49

#24

wynonna

IDK, in the thread witht eh Family Guy popping a villan, I think that was ok. However, if the villan had popped in inocent hostage, not ok.

Also popping isn't necicarily a death sentance. It would depend on how they popped. A fragmentation popping is most likely going to be fatal, but I have seen people live through worse injuries. but, a pop could also be just a rip as well. Very surviveable.

The thing is, inflation is fantacy. I also think we need to keep this in mind when we decide what is ok, and not ok. I recently saw an animation in which the girl's belly blew up big, then popped, and after the pop, everything just went back to normal and she was giggleing about it.

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