Absurdity of "writing for yourself"

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Auriga
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Absurdity of "writing for yourself"

 I usuallty whine when my stories don't get feedback and when I do people say usual bullshit about "Don't care about people, write for yourself, do what you enjoy most". These words are so overused, it makes such consollation irritating, and almost offensive. Because, of course I've heard that many times.

 But it is not just overused. It's wrong.

 When you (author) have a good imagination and a particular kinky fantasy, you can do two things.

 1. Imagine it for yourself in the bathroom.

 2. Want to share it with others. In this case you write a story, draw art or do anything else to flesh your fantasy into some art, that can be shared with others. If you write and publish, you are not doing it "for yourself". You should care about quality and expect, or hope for some appreciation of the audience.

 

 If there is no feedback, it means that you failed. Really. It's much more constructive to critique the weak or dull places in the story, rather than repeat for 1001th time the proverbial write to yourself.

Lopni

Okay, I'll tell for myself

I was playing in inflation as a child, and played inflation games on paper as a teen. When I learnt programming I started programming them, among other things. One of those games still works for me. I know that when I'm not sure how things will go in bed - all I have to do is play it for five minutes. Twenty five frigging years. No graphics. And it works.

2 Yes, I do have a motivation of sharing it with people, so that they also can fix their issue and move on to other things on day's list - no need to watch porn for hours, save your time!

1 But I also would like to make it look well for me

And I don't know which motivation is the first ^_^

Auriga
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 Your efforts at coding inflation games are great. I'm too lazy for that. 

 

 As for the motivation for share, I agree, its for the other people to enjoy and satisfy their similar lust for it. Then, it returns to my point - if the other people don't like it, I did something wrong. I like the story as it is, but the goal of pleasing others isn't met.

 

 So, critique pointing at what turned them off, or where there are silly mistakes in the plot, and how characters behave. That is whay I need, not overused cliche of write for yourself. The fact that I try to publish it means I'm writing not only for muself, but for other too. 

Margeret Moonlught
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Gonna 101% disagree with you there m8. As long as you're proud of your work, You've succeeded. 

And hey, I've written self indulgent fanfics before, those were pretty much only for me, But people still enjoyed 'em.

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blueberryjuicer
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Seconded

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Cosinusitis
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Thirded.

What's the point in writing a story if you're just aiming to please the populace? Come on, that ain't a company you're working for, write whatever you want and it'll just flow better. Even the tedious, non-inflatey bits.

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Auriga
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You miss the thing. Of course I'm writing a story because I like it. No point to write a kink story that doesn't turn you on. But. Polishing and publishing is intended to please other people. Any story published and available to other readers is by definition not "for yourself" 

clovis

The point of writing for yourself is really in how your enthusiasm should make it through to the page.  People respond well to enthusiasm.  A weaker story written passionately will usually come across better than a skilled piece taken as a half-hearted commission.

It is important to keep your reader in mind.  I'd amend the "write for yourself" with "write for yourself, but through the lens of another."  You know what's going to happen.  You know what everything and everyone looks like.  But every writer needs to take a step back from themselves and be sure all that has actually made it onto the page.  You'll know you're doing it correctly when you begin to surprise yourself.  Think of yourself less as the author and more of a filter.  Things you may not even like may make it through.  Be open to changes.  Be open to things you didn't think you'd ever want to explore.  Just as a good writer should be able to create believable persona's that are different from their own, a good writer should be able to see their work as others might see it.

"If there is no feedback, it means that you failed. Really. It's much more constructive to critique the weak or dull places in the story, rather than repeat for 1001th time the proverbial write to yourself."

I'll agree that "write for yourself" is not good feedback when you've already done exactly that.  Have you actually gotten that for a finished work?  I've given it myself, but only to aspiring writers- as a response to the oddly frequent question of "what should I write."

I'd like to say lack of feedback doesn't mean you failed, but I'm guilty of that thought as well.  Certainly you succeeded in writing something you're proud enough to put out there which does take courage.  But even the most self-proud author will have their outlook dampened when the story is met with silence.  It is what it is, but it certainly makes it harder to go back to write another, even if it is only for oneself.

LutherVKane
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I disagree. I typically write a story for myself first and foremost, sometimes exclusively.

Back in the old days of this site, before we had a forum or comments, I would post stories with an email link to the author in case anyone wanted to give feedback. It wasn't unusual to get zero feedback on a story. I kept writing. So did many others.

Writing for myself helps keep burnout at bay. I like feedback, don't get me wrong. But it's not why I keep writing. I have my literary game and I welcome anyone else who wants to join in, but I'm perfectly happy playing it by myself if that's how it goes. It's pretty rare for me to consider how the audience might respond to a particular plotline. I put obscure references in my stories, and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who gets them. And I have at least one completed story sitting my backlog that I haven't released and may never release.

So yeah, when I'm talking to an author who's trying to find his way in the world of fetish fiction, I'll often advise him to write for himself. Because that's what's most likely to get him writing.

But if audience approval is what you're looking for, then it's terrible advice. If you're publishing stories and the audience isn't responding, then you need to change either your stories or your audience.

Lopni

I have my literary game and I welcome anyone else who wants to join in

May I ask you to remind how to play it?

airtankgirl5
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I write, or wrote as the case may be, for myself.  I share it with others, some like it and some don't.  Wanting feedback only frustrates me.

Pennsylvania Ki...
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Feedback is so important, that's undeniable, but it should never be the prime motivator for why someone is going to publish something. It becomes a demand for attention at that point. By that route writing doesn't become the scratching at the creative itch inside, writing becomes lifting up your skin in anguish so other people can potentially stuff candy and confetti inside you.

My self-writing is so unpolished, so focused on only my tastes, that if I were to publish them I'd have people turning away from me in confusion. And yet, what I have published is admittedly so few and far between that I can't possibly gain much of an audience - because I do in some regard write for an audience. Structure out a narrative, ground myself in recognizable fetish tropes. The process is so sluggish and the task so meticulous that I don't produce much in the end. No one really knows me as a prolific author, and on the same token I have no reason to keep continually trying to impress a small audience. I write for myself just fine, much more than I should if I really had the desire to be acknowledged.

The struggle to be recognized, I realize, is to prepare to be disappointed by the amount of exposure in the beginning and slowly, if you've got the right stuff, building that image for yourself. Imagine being a masochist and beating yourself with the blunt object - write for pleasure because you're into that sort of thing - and when the candy and confetti comes out of you then you can revel in the people scrambling to gather it all up. Just make sure to injure yourself in a public space.

sorry for the extended piñata metaphor btw - had a Halloween party on my mind.

Yonder

I write a decent amount of inflation fanfics on deviantart,despite only like 2-3 favorites just because I enjoy writing it so much, I guess. I know what details I like...I'm very picky lol.

nineteenthly

Not talking about my own inflation stuff so much as other things I've written and done, but I think it's a question of writing for yourself but being lucky enough to have common ground with other people that it engages them too, and I don't think that's easy to fake or manufacture.  Or, you could write for yourself and find what appeals to you fails to interest other people, or write for others and fake it, but I think people would probably find that less appealing without necessarily being able to put their finger on why.  On the other hand, feedback is very useful, even if you are writing for yourself.

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Fleetingsanity
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I wouldn't say a write for myself. I write what I like. But, to say I write for myself would mean I like to go back and read my stories to get off to them. Which I can honestly say I really haven't done that. I've gotten off while writing them. When I'm in the heat of the moment (get it). I'm writing what turns me on. So sometimes I have to stop and take care of that. Usually though once one of my stories are done and I've released it. I don't go back to read it while getting off. I'm usually reading someone elses works at that point. I write what I like because there's not enough out there of what I like. I know there are others who are like myself. Wanting stupidly big inflations to massive sizes. It's barely done in writing. So I write that. Some small part of me hope it will encourage others to make stupidly big inflation stories or art. Ultimately my goal is to add more to our community since there's not enough as it is. And hopefully encourage others to do the same.

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blueberryjuicer
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I think I need to make my point clear because saying "seconded" doesn't really help clarify what my idea is.

I always "write/create for myself" and in doing so, find people of like mind. Without the risks of doing so, I'd never have met the wonderful community members I've met.

That being said, the importance of your audience is a key factor, only if you desire it.

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clovis

Feedback allows me to look at my own work differently.  I wouldn't put out anything I wasn't completely happy with, but there's always room for improvement.  Seeing what others liked or disliked forces me to take another look at what I've done and more often than not, leads to something even better.  I can honestly say there's some stuff that I'm very proud of that I would never have thought to write if not for the feedback of others.  Feedback isn't the goal.  I don't feel entitled to feedback- in fact, by putting a work out publicly, I am really the one asking for someone's time.  But if someone does enjoy it, or had relevant critical thoughts then I do welcome them- good or bad, they motivate me in different ways to keep writing.

doubleintegral
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What are your goals for writing inflation stories?

If you set out with a goal of getting a lot of attaboys and gaining acceptance in the community for your work, and you don't get those things, then yes, you have failed.  And you will feel like shit because of it, because chances are you wrote a shitty story because people want to read shitty stories.  Many in this community don't want character development, innovative plots, etc., they just want something to get them off.

But if you just set out to write a good story that you like, it ultimately doesn't matter what feedback you get.  Sure, everybody wants to become popular and have other people like their work, but you have to learn to separate the quality of your work from the feedback it does or doesn't get.

News flash: if you are looking for a lot of positive feedback from this community, stop writing stories and teach yourself how to draw really, really well.

Auriga
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 Okay. Seems everyone disagrees with my point. I understand what you, guys, say.

 I understand what is writing for yourself. And this is a motivation.

 Still I'd separate writing and publishing.

 As to the readers' appreciation, stories do score favs too. Sometimes, even my stories =).

Lopni

You should care about quality and expect, or hope for some appreciation of the audience.

How about quality question and some appreciation to answerers ^_^ But yes I agree publishing is not the same as writing ^_^

inflationpurveyor

I agree that to publish a story is, fundamentally, to attempt to reach an audience. However, your motivation for doing so should be to share your work with others, not to get anything back from them in return - unless you're a professional and the thing you're after is money. Most people, even if they like a work, will never even think to give feedback, so expecting to get it is just setting yourself up for disappointment. Favorites are a better gauge of a story's success, but even then, just because someone likes a story doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to favorite it. Ultimately there's no way to be exactly sure how many people your story successfully connects with, so it's better not to expect too much.

Personally, I think a story is worth publishing even if it manages to connect with just one other person. If only one other person likes your work then right there your creation has become endemic to twice as many minds, and as soon as your idea travels from your creation to someone else's mind, it can influence their own ideas and creations, potentially indefinitely. In my opinion, that's a very worthwhile accomplishment.

Also, for what it's worth, even if a story fails to connect with its audience, that doesn't mean that it wasn't worth publishing. Often times, in order to figure out what works, you have to first figure out what doesn't work. In that way, failures become necessary steps toward success.

Wren

Writing for yourself makes sense because you only have control over what you do and you don't have control over what other people do.  You're the one who has to change how you do things if you want people to respond to you differently.

Some of the people who do leave feedback are going to feel unappreciated if you whine about not getting enough feedback--it's basically telling them their feedback wasn't enough and you want to hear from someone else.  But if you respond to them, they might feel appreciated and leave more feedback in the future.

Have you tried having conversations with people who leave feedback?  Like if someone says, "Hey, great story!" you could respond with something like, "Thanks!  Can you tell me what in particular you enjoyed about it and is there anything you'd like me to do differently next time?"