Do you think posting a reason before rating should be required?

Yes.
13% (3 votes)
No.
87% (20 votes)
Total votes: 23
uhcm

This is a response to what happened to the ratings for my first story that offended me.

I saw 1 marked for * * * *, I know JSK00 gave me the reason. :)

I saw 1 marked for * * * * *, yet no posted reason, so I don't know who really liked it. :?

I saw 2 marked for * *, again, no posted reason, that really annoyed me. :(

This isn't a joke, I don't know who but they should post their reason BEFORE rating my story.

I definitely don't like shy reviewers and people who rate my works just to spite me. :evil:

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Yes, I think that people should tell why they did or didn't like a piece of creative works, but, getting people to say it is next to impossible to do. Even if you made it a requirement to leave a comment in order rate something, you'd get a lot of one to three word comments.

So many inflation drawings lack flow/life, they are just a girl standing around with a hose stuck somewhere and large whatevers.

AlecDeluxe
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I totally agree with Archie-D. Critical reviewing is a skill that not everyone possesses. That's why Roger Ebert makes big bucks, and I just post blogs on myspace that no one reads.

I want to pop so much I could burst!

Fukureruba

But if you put up a poll with a low mark as an option, then you have to expect that people are going to press that, just as you say, out of spite. That's pretty much why internet polls (and the internet in general) suck.

What's interesting though, is that they pressed the two star and not the one star.

uhcm

Very well. I'll drop the matter, but at least put up at least one word. I'm not looking for critical reviews, I'm just looking for honest opinions.

Anyhow, I got criticized and scrutinized before so the words, "fuck you!" cannot demoralize me. Besides, cussing to me is a poor excuse to not coming up with proper ways to say that "this is awful" or "this is disgusting". If you review my story, Julie Basket and the Big Wedding, you can see that I kept the language clean at the best of my abilities; even though I made it erotic enough to make it R-Rated.

Note: Even though some habits are hard to get rid of.

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uhcm wrote:
I saw 1 marked for * * * * *, yet no posted reason, so I don't know who really liked it. :?

I saw 2 marked for * *, again, no posted reason, that really annoyed me. :(

This isn't a joke, I don't know who but they should post their reason BEFORE rating my story.

I definitely don't like shy reviewers and people who rate my works just to spite me. :evil:

Get used to not getting a lot of feedback. In my experience people tend to fawn over artwork more than stories in recent times.

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I'll drop the matter, but at least put up at least one word. I'm not looking for critical reviews, I'm just looking for honest opinions.

What good does one word do compared to a star rating, which is in itself a one word review?

uhcm
doubleintegral wrote:
uhcm wrote:
I saw 1 marked for * * * * *, yet no posted reason, so I don't know who really liked it. ?

I saw 2 marked for * *, again, no posted reason, that really annoyed me. (

This isn't a joke, I don't know who but they should post their reason BEFORE rating my story.

I definitely don't like shy reviewers and people who rate my works just to spite me. evil

Get used to not getting a lot of feedback. In my experience people tend to fawn over artwork more than stories in recent times.

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I'll drop the matter, but at least put up at least one word. I'm not looking for critical reviews, I'm just looking for honest opinions.

What good does one word do compared to a star rating, which is in itself a one word review?

doubleintegral,

One word reviews like, good, great, excellent, weird, gross, erotic, okay, bad, awful, "blech!", funny, BIG, tempting, sexy, hot, cold and it goes down the list.

To me, one word can make up a lot of expression, many just don't think of it that way because it looks like it cannot make up the reason for the rating. I did one word reviews before, I made one word like "Excellent!" and I already expressed FIVE ways I like about it. 8)

By the way, I do have a bad habit of retaliating upon offenses directed to me. People should stop being shy and tell me what they did not like about the story, or I'll assumed it was out of spite (which is ALWAYS directed to me by experience.)

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dragon_6860
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I'll have to agree with Intergral. I've been writing stories for a long time, and I've gotten almost no real feedback. I've had a few people give me good advice and tips, but most have been nothing, or "Cool" I've even had people post that they don't like it on "Expansionstories.com" but no reason why. It's just how the game is played.

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doubleintegral
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uhcm wrote:
I do have a bad habit of retaliating upon offenses directed to me.

Why is a lack of feedback so offensive to you? Being openly hostile to your readers because they're not leaving feedback is a good way to get people to stop reading altogether.

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People should stop being shy and tell me what they did not like about the story

They're not shy, they're lazy. They consume and simply move on to the next thing. Only the most conscientous (typically other contributions) will leave feedback.

swella
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It would be nice if you could comment on the stories in the same manner as the pictures.

uhcm
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It would be nice if you could comment on the stories in the same manner as the pictures.

Indeed.

Silent criticisms pisses me off.

Compliments followed with criticisms and ends with questions. That I do find quite refreshing because I actually enjoy answering questions about my works and there are always room for improvements if my writing is a bit off.

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Bob_King

To be honest uhcm, I've maybe had 5 people get back to me about any of my stories with any nice comments (and that's over a 10 year period). Maybe mine aren't so good, but I wouldn't expect anything you do to generate any kind of feedback on the internet. Obviously if someone does it's a bonus, but you certainly shouldn't expect it.

I think it's the nature of the internet that people rarely bother to convey how they feel since everything is 'free'. Some folks also seem to think that you're just there to please them, but the only person who should be truely happy with your work is you.

If you've written a story that your happy with then chances are it is good.

To get improve your chances of feedback put a link to your stories in the signature of every related forum you're a member of and you'll increase your chances, but don't expect it. Having said that it still hasn't worked for me :!: :wink:

uhcm

Your right, I'm indeed a good writer, just impatient. :lol:

I'll be posting the characters list and descriptions in "News from uhcm" topic at Writer's Den. I'm making the list/descriptions to explain the characters better. Considering how confusing is Julie Basket and the Big Wedding to some people. Check it daily for any changes or improvements.I made that topic to make it easier for me to answer questions that is outside the stories. :wink:

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Anonymous

I wouldn't really care. In my opinion, if someone doesn't want to take the time to leave constructive criticism, it was either satisfactory or their criticism isn't worth it. A pat on th back with a "goog job" comment is great, but don't get riled up about it.

hfilled

It is FAR easier to just ask people "did you like the story" than asking for a 1-5 star rating, in my experience.

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I've also gotten very little feedback on my stories over the years. It is the nature of the beast. This is why I keep saying in all of your topics that you should write for yourself, write what interests you, and make your own creative decisions without worrying about what the audience thinks or wants. Even the sites dedicated to creator feedback still endure the "Nice!" and "Cool!" comments. I agree with what several people have already said: More detailed and considered feedback is always going to be more helpful to the author, but light feedback is the nature of the beast.

Also, consider that this is not Amazon or YouTube. You're dealing with an underground fetish. Many people would rather read quietly and not discuss what turns them on because they are uncomfortable even getting this far. You're clearly interested in living your life loudly here, with *stops to think of the correct term* non-verbal asides and whatnot, but there are a lot of lurkers who prefer their privacy. By releasing a story publicly, you're giving them permission to read it and respond however they like -- including not at all.

You can invite feedback but you can never demand it. Nor can you set the terms and conditions of the feedback you do get; you can encourage a format but you can't enforce one. That's true about offline feedback as well.

This may horrify you to learn, but as a professional writer, you generally only get feedback if you have done something wrong. Most writers get rehired when they do good work; they don't get pats on the back. They just get another assignment. I was used to being mollycoddled and stroked and the star of my own little world until I was a full-time editor hiring writers and realized...hell, stroking them is not part of my job, and I don't have time to do it. And I think the same applies here: People are too busy to do much more than consume most of the time. Sometimes "Nice!" and "Cool!" is their version of being verbose -- and it's better than no reaction at all.

doubleintegral wrote:
Why is a lack of feedback so offensive to you? Being openly hostile to your readers because they're not leaving feedback is a good way to get people to stop reading altogether.

Strongly agreed. Because...

uhcm wrote:
By the way, I do have a bad habit of retaliating upon offenses directed to me. People should stop being shy and tell me what they did not like about the story, or I'll assumed it was out of spite (which is ALWAYS directed to me by experience.)

After seeing comments like that, where you've come into this with a history of retaliation for feedback that wasn't in the form you wanted it to be, I do feel like I'd be better off not getting involved at all.

Yousuck

Inflate123 said it better than I ever could. You want feedback, but refuse to handle negative feedback, so why would anybody waste their time critiquing your work if you refuse to listen to their points (maybe even learn a few handy pointers and tips), or worse, argue back with them about why your stuff is better than they think? It's all a matter of opinion from person to person about what's good inflato-porn and what isn't anyway.

uhcm

:? *sigh* you severely missed the point.

the points.

1. I never mind feedbacks, negative and positive (like "there are typos.", "There is a problem, explain explain explain.", "I don't like it." and "there are a problem with the flow.").

2. It is the silent feedbacks that annoyed me.

3. I only retaliate when attacked or got hates for something I do best at. (examples: "why the fuck you whore out your character?", "Go pop her, I don't want to see her around here again." and the classical, "uhcm, you are a perverted bastard who deserve to die by suicide!")

How many of you had been through those attacks? I've been through that, even attacks in THIS thread. Telling me that I was ignorant and stuck up over a misunderstanding; great way to understand me. *thumb up in sarcasm* >_>

Now drop this thread and toss it into the fire.

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Uhcm, you have to understand one fact. You're not going to get much feedback. I've been writing for a long time, and I've gotten maaaybe...2 real, unasked for, feedbacks. Everything else, was "Cool" and "nice!"
To show an example, My most viewed story on DA is Katrina's Balloons, with a view count of 4,809, and a Fav count of 46. Guess how many comments I have on it? 13. And that's only because it was in a contest. All of my other stories? Around 2000 views, and a average of 3 comments.

As they've said before, it's the nature of the beast. If you get offended when people silently rate your work, you're going to get offended a lot here. I don't mean to be rude, but that's just how it works.

No, I would not want to live in a world without dragons, as I would not want to live in a world without magic, for that is a world without mystery, and that is a world without faith.

uhcm

That I understand, but, I was just personally annoyed by silent comments (personal opinion) and I was pissed off by other things (fire starter). Put them together and this thread was made.

Can we just throw it into a vault and forget about it, or ask Luther to lock it up or delete it instead of having a confusion battle over something that I would have avoid if I wasn't so pissed off?

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Most of us have received hater feedback, yes. You have to take it in stride. You have to expect it, too.

Again, you're puttin' yourself and your work out there. Your perspective is often going to be different than their perspective.