Wikipedia has removed our article.

Mon, 10/16/2006 - 23:10

#2

dragon_6860

Heh, there's a problem with that, in as such as we have NO sources that are legit, save one book, and that's very questionable, since i believe most of her info came from the internet. It's gonna be difficult to get it to stay up, espicaly now that it's been deleted once. I dunno, I liked haveing that up, but i dunno how we can do it properly.

No, I would not want to live in a world without dragons, as I would not want to live in a world without magic, for that is a world without mystery, and that is a world without faith.

Tue, 10/17/2006 - 03:21

#3

darth_clone19

I guess then we cant have our article up then, since there are no sources lol No one can verify anything, we all differ in how we view the fetish, so...forget it. Lets let it die. Some people there didnt believe it though, which is in itself kind of interesting.

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Tue, 10/17/2006 - 04:00

#4

gokuson123

I personally don't even like the idea of an online dictionary people can add their own stuff to...it's no more valid than if I said it here.

Come chat with me on IM!!! Keep me from getting lonely!

Tue, 10/17/2006 - 04:14

#5

CattyN

With Wikipedia it always baffled me as to how devious members of the internet stayed off from adding unverifiable miss-information at will. It seems like the just sort of place that it would be rampant, and yet it doesn't seem to be so bad. Go fig...

Tue, 10/17/2006 - 04:49

#6

dragon_6860

Catty, there's a army of people who take it upon themselves to watch any new changes to articles, check them, and if there is any kinda vandalisim, as there was often on the Wii and PS3 pages, they get them locked and fixed, heh, so it's there, it's jsut watched like no other.

No, I would not want to live in a world without dragons, as I would not want to live in a world without magic, for that is a world without mystery, and that is a world without faith.

Tue, 10/17/2006 - 13:47

#7

deleted_20091014

Yeah, wikivandalism is rampant, but the vandals are maybe not outnumbered but definitely out'efforted' by the thousands of people who look repair vandalism. I've seen a few hilarious examples though and they generally stay on the system in page histories.

As for the inflation fetish article... tbh I don't see that we need one, bad things only come from giving our fetish greater publicity. And we don't have any sources that Wikipedia would consider verifiable as our entire fetishalia seems to exist on the internet, and other that that just in our own minds.

Tue, 10/17/2006 - 16:48

#8

dragon_6860

True, we did'nt need one, but i for one found it invaulable when i was trying to explain to a girl exactly what inflationism was :)

No, I would not want to live in a world without dragons, as I would not want to live in a world without magic, for that is a world without mystery, and that is a world without faith.

Wed, 10/18/2006 - 10:58

#9

deleted_20091014

well Inflate123's inflatable blog gives a good account of the fetish.

Wed, 10/18/2006 - 16:42

#10

nineteenthly

I think it's a great pity that it was removed, and it reminds me of Queen Victoria not believing in lesbianism because she didn't want to believe in it. This strikes a nerve with me in particular because i once wanted to discuss it with a therapist and she didn't believe it was possible, so that left me completely isolated. I contributed to the article myself, because i was concerned that people who tried actual inflation might be risking their health, and now people looking for information on it aren't able to access that, which is potentially risky for them. However, as Wikipedia itself says, "Wikipedia is not original research," and the answer to that may be for people in the inflation community actually to do original research. Besides this, just before the article appeared, i was wondering if an actual inflation fetishism wiki would be appropriate. I suppose it partly depends on whether you want it to be mainstream or not. I can't help thinking that the whole issue is a case of some sort of scientific or psychological "high priesthood" saying it doesn't exist unless they say it does, and we know it does.

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Wed, 10/18/2006 - 21:20

#11

Fairia

I've discussed my interests with my therapist, I even mentioned about IM rp's. She said that it's important to do what is right for me and not think about what others think.

Wed, 10/18/2006 - 21:27

#12

nineteenthly

Well, it was years ago now, but it damaged my faith in therapy because she simply didn't believe me.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

Thu, 10/19/2006 - 02:38

#13

darth_clone19

Thats one mean therapist.

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Thu, 10/19/2006 - 05:43

#14

brainstew

nineteenthly wrote:

Besides this, just before the article appeared, i was wondering if an actual inflation fetishism wiki would be appropriate. I suppose it partly depends on whether you want it to be mainstream or not. I can't help thinking that the whole issue is a case of some sort of scientific or psychological "high priesthood" saying it doesn't exist unless they say it does, and we know it does.

Some people don't believe in bestiality (or a lot of other things for that matter) either. But the internet is a great resource and if you look hard enough you can find /anything/. 8O

An InflataWiki ;) sounds like a very reasonable answer to me, if people actually wanted such information available like that as you say.

Thu, 10/19/2006 - 07:53

#15

blackgirlinflation

I do really like the idea of an InflataWiki; but I think that an article about our fetish in Wikipedia is great. Due to the Wonka movie, lots of people with I talked to, think inflation fetish involves kids. Wikipedia article goes against this idea.
My therapist told me it is not usual, but since I see no problems at it, let me do what I want.

That nice black girl was really getting big. I pressed the footpump once more and she just popped!!!

Thu, 10/19/2006 - 21:17

#16

nineteenthly

Thanks for the reassurance, everyone. I don't think she was mean, i just think she felt she had to be honest and she just couldn't believe it existed. It's odd though, that people on that side of things never seem to have done much research into it. I would love there to be a Wiki but i don't know how to set one up. Any advice?

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

Sat, 10/21/2006 - 02:45

#17

kuumuzu

It is a small shame the article was removed from wiki...
My girlfriend was using it to understand my interest further.

I would agree that it was valuble but at the same time very open to anybody... especially people with arrogant non-interests in inflationism.

Sat, 10/21/2006 - 15:51

#18

Wren

We're like the Who's in "Horton Hears a Who."

Ok, here's the plan...What we'll have to do is start a chain letter proclaiming we exist. Then people will complain to Snopes.com about a hoax email going around about some bizarre little known fetish. Snopes will research the email and proclaim it to be true. Then we'll be allowed to have a Wiki article because we will have a reliable source backing us up. Unless of course Snopes proclaims the email to be false, in which case we'd be considered a hoax for all eternity.

Just kidding.

Wren

Please visit my Body Inflation Fetish Fantasy Clip Store:

http://clips4sale.com/studio/52559

Sat, 10/21/2006 - 22:12

#19

Inflate123

I am disappointed to see we're off the Wikipedia. I did feel it was a sense of legitimacy.

The book I think you're referring to, Deviant Desires, was created by conducting personal interviews. I met with Katherine and discussed stuff face to face. So yeah, the book was about the internet, but it was thoroughly researched.

I also think an Inflation Wiki isn't a bad idea. We can build that ourselves and police it as necessary.

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Sun, 10/22/2006 - 17:48

#20

Inflate123

Well, I've had a night to sleep on it and do a little digging. I've gone from merely disappointed to downright pissed-off. The smoking gun--the discussion about whether or not the entry violates Wiki standards and if it's verifiable--is here.

I'm used to people calling it "disgusting" (yet that's certainly not the criteria applied to other sexual deviance Wiki entries, like pedophilia) and I can't argue that we have no traditional academic or media sources outside of Katherine's book, and that's what makes information verifiable and valuable. I can concede those points.

The stuff that bothers me the most is the allegation that everything about inflatable fetishism on the internet was copied from Wikipedia--absolutely incorrect, stunningly ignorant and I am terrified that the person who made that statement was not challenged to provide HIS proof--and the further suggestion that this fetish is "not real." How amazingly offensive, especially considering that the Wiki features detailed, cited articles on things that do not exist, such as the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Please follow the logic: An internet topic that has been covered by non-online media is therefore legit; an internet topic that has not is not.

It's not a fight we can win because we do not have the material they need as proof; logically and academically, I have to accept that. But the arrogant dismissal beyond that chaps my hide big-time. No wonder there is Wiki vandalism; it's a war of ideas.

I've got a different rant on my blog below.

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Mon, 10/23/2006 - 16:23

#21

deleted_20091014

actually yeah I noticed that too but since I wasn't really fussed about the article to begin with I didn't feel the need to mention it any further... but yeah it is a little odd that someone could think that that article was the progenitor of this whole inflation 'hoax' and all the other sites, like this one merely copied material from that. Especially as Google's caches should confirm that these sites have been around since before Wikipedia even existed.

Mon, 10/23/2006 - 21:29

#22

darth_clone19

I may be talking out of turn, since I dont know these policies, but what do these wikipedians mean by sourced? I mean, is the dictionary definition not enough? There is a source for the info. Sites and forums are sources. Lots of the stuff I read on the Wikipedia article were concluded by forum discussions!! Yet, in video game articles, they do the exact same thing: use forum discussion as sources. So, as far as Im concerned, saying there is no source is completely illogical.

There are wikipedia entries on ridiculous things that started on internet forums, like that thing about "All your base are ours" or whatever the hell it is (it was a wrongfully translated sentence on a game of Japanese origin that created a very nerdy, internet forum-y "phenomenon"). That has a veritable source, yet our fetish doesnt? I dont know if they exist still, but there used to be links to this page in sites with sexual fetishes listed.

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Sat, 10/28/2006 - 08:57

#23

LutherVKane

When you have a reference source where anyone can submit and expertise isn't valued, you wind up with a lowest common denominator compilation on the best of days. They have their rules at Wikipedia, and they're kinda silly but they can run the site as they see fit.

I've always considered Wikipedia to be moderately useful and somewhat entertaining, but I never saw the body inflation article there as a source of legitimacy. After all, anyone can submit an article to Wikipedia, and the fringes are poorly patrolled.

I don't consider DeviantArt to be an authoritative source, but the existence of dozens of inflation artists there gives us far more credibility than a Wikipedia article.

Begin rant:

I'm used to people reacting to body inflation with confusion and disgust, I am disappointed at some of the statements made in the Wikipedia review. That someone would claim that most of the material online was copied from the Wikipedia article displays an astonishing level of stupidity and laziness. A quick Google search on "body inflation" would have revealed that this fetish predates the existence of the Wikipedia by a number of years. They allow people who clearly don't know what they're talking about to render entirely uninformed judgments on the community. There's little published about the fetish, but what published works that exist were dismissed without any justification. I never granted much weight to the authority of Wikipedia, and I now have plenty of reason to grant even less now that it's clear that the reviewers don't put in even the minimal level of due diligence.

End rant.

The software that runs Wikipedia is freely available for download. Perhaps it's time to set up our own wiki for inflation information.

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Sat, 10/28/2006 - 09:43

#24

nineteenthly

Definitely we should do a wiki. I myself was wondering what counts as sourced information. I think to find out what counts in this context, and i haven't done this yet, it would probably help to look at articles on things that are more well-known and academically researched, such as, say, foot fetishism or the latex and rubber thing, and see what they mean by good sourcing. I know people find it difficult to believe, and as you know i had my annoying disagreement with my counsellor about that. I think there's also a need to get some research done on the whole thing. For years, i felt i was a complete freak and that i could never have a satisfying sex life, and this is the reality: with no establishment recognition of our fetish, there will continue to be people out there who feel isolated and have low self-esteem because they think they're just freaks. When there was a wikipedia article, that was at least something that people could find that seemed authoritative. I'm also concerned that the warnings i put in about the dangers of actual inflation are now unavailable.

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Sat, 10/28/2006 - 16:33

#25

awittyname

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki

There's the download page/ FAQish page for the wiki programming stuff. I'm not all that technically inclined, so I don't understand alot of the mumbojumbo presented there, but I am a member of halowiki.net (a place to spread halo 2 knowledge and stuff), and if the people in charge know what they're doing, and can make the basics easy to understand where even i can understand, or at least find things to copy 'n' paste, then I don't see why this couldn't happen.

Sat, 10/28/2006 - 18:50

#26

Fairia

But what, if possible, one of us takes the intiative and write an article for a specific magazine publication that dabble with either sexual interests or social issues? I could do it, but I would probably go under a different name.

Sat, 10/28/2006 - 21:07

#27

Fukureruba

Warning: Rant ahead...do not read this if you are one of those people who've come to hate my living guts.

I don't seem to understand why (almost) everyone feel so passionate about having this kind of exposure? I'm honestly a little baffled.

I don't see why you feel it's so important to justify yourselves in this way. You all know the fetish exists and share this interest, you have your own community here, and that should be enough. Why flaunt it for people who are potential trolls looking for a new mark? To convert new people to the fetish? To enlighten those who don't give a shit? To achieve some legitimacy in the world? This website and the ones like it should be all the legitimacy you need.

From other subjects on the forum you can see that everyone is so concerned about the fact that people take digs at us, hate us, don't understand us...but at the same time rushing to place these awkward little bits of info on a popular website like Wikipedia is the same as putting a big red target on your backs. If there is so much concern about being accepted by closed minded people who will never accept you, then why give them ammunition? Hell, sounds like the people at Wikipedia are somewhat troll-like themselves.

I'm not saying that I think the fetish has to be an "underground" thing, but by the same token I think, to some extent, there is a lot to be said for keeping it out of the general public's eye and being very careful about how and where you try to publicize yourselves. Have you realistically stopped to think what would really happen if the "mass" media ever actually did address the inflation fetish issue? They would probably find some reason to slant it in the worst possible way, as they inevitably do, and might possibly take your harmless little hangup and find some reason to villify it beyond all comprehension. For example, would people who do real body inflation be the vehicle they could use to do this? I'm just asking that you all think about it.

Lastly, I'm glad the Wiki article is gone. I normally don't get embarrased by my inflation hangup (my family, most of my friends and co-workers know about my interest) but something about the tone of that article (probably paying detailed lip-service to the DeviantArt trolling issue) showed a lot of self-angst about the fetish that made me squirm.

OK, you can all "knock me off my soapbox" now and flame my ass for my paranoid, overly-emotional and unpopular dissenting opinion.

Sat, 10/28/2006 - 22:57

#28

darth_clone19

Fukureruba wrote:

Warning: Rant ahead...do not read this if you are one of those people who've come to hate my living guts.
I don't seem to understand why (almost) everyone feel so passionate about having this kind of exposure? I'm honestly a little baffled.

I don't see why you feel it's so important to justify yourselves in this way. You all know the fetish exists and share this interest, you have your own community here, and that should be enough. Why flaunt it for people who are potential trolls looking for a new mark? To convert new people to the fetish? To enlighten those who don't give a shit? To achieve some legitimacy in the world? This website and the ones like it should be all the legitimacy you need.

From other subjects on the forum you can see that everyone is so concerned about the fact that people take digs at us, hate us, don't understand us...but at the same time rushing to place these awkward little bits of info on a popular website like Wikipedia is the same as putting a big red target on your backs. If there is so much concern about being accepted by closed minded people who will never accept you, then why give them ammunition? Hell, sounds like the people at Wikipedia are somewhat troll-like themselves.

I'm not saying that I think the fetish has to be an "underground" thing, but by the same token I think, to some extent, there is a lot to be said for keeping it out of the general public's eye and being very careful about how and where you try to publicize yourselves. Have you realistically stopped to think what would really happen if the "mass" media ever actually did address the inflation fetish issue? They would probably find some reason to slant it in the worst possible way, as they inevitably do, and might possibly take your harmless little hangup and find some reason to villify it beyond all comprehension. For example, would people who do real body inflation be the vehicle they could use to do this? I'm just asking that you all think about it.

Lastly, I'm glad the Wiki article is gone. I normally don't get embarrased by my inflation hangup (my family, most of my friends and co-workers know about my interest) but something about the tone of that article (probably paying detailed lip-service to the DeviantArt trolling issue) showed a lot of self-angst about the fetish that made me squirm.

OK, you can all "knock me off my soapbox" now and flame my ass for my paranoid, overly-emotional and unpopular dissenting opinion.

I totally understand what you mean. On the other hand, what makes you think people would give a crap about this fetish? Why if exposed to mass media are people going to pay attention in a more significant way than they have done to, perhaps, people who masturbate to Disney films? Why would they care? Sure, thsi is strange, but stranger things exist. This is just strange on a "I didnt expect that" level. Others are strange on a "WTF?" level.

Maybe I dont get the full weight of it because Ive never been a part of a semi-secretive society who wants to keep a low profile. (this is meant as a little sarcasm amidst a bit of truth)

But I do understand. Right now Im having a heated argument with some assholes at DA that really are having my blood boil. Its like people dont fall from this idea that people in the internet are 100% themselves. Its like I am aninflation fetishist, a weirdo in deviantart, as opposed to an accountant, a sales clerk, a computer engineer, a teacher, or whatever your lot in society is. They forget you are a person, and label you even when you are trying to get them to stop ridiculing you personally.

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Sun, 10/29/2006 - 16:59

#29

Fukureruba

darth_clone19 wrote:

I totally understand what you mean. On the other hand, what makes you think people would give a crap about this fetish? Why if exposed to mass media are people going to pay attention in a more significant way than they have done to, perhaps, people who masturbate to Disney films? Why would they care? Sure, thsi is strange, but stranger things exist. This is just strange on a "I didnt expect that" level. Others are strange on a "WTF?" level.

Well that's kinda the point I'm trying to make. Why do Wiki articles and such if people don't give a crap. Why throw it out there for people who potentially only care about it in a negative way.

I think people here would really be hurt if, say, CBS or CNN ran a story on the inflation fetish (a little far fetched I admit; maybe on some really popular blog site) and ran it in a predominantly negative way. You may scoff at the notion of that, but I think some people in the community would like to see it popularized to that extent. If you think the whole notion is far-fetched, I keep thinking of the CSI episode about fursuiters (who'd ever thunk it) and the really funky way that they were portrayed. They were brought into the public eye on a really popular TV program and in a crappy, embarrassing way. Do you want something like that to happen to you? Do you want that kind of notoriety? Some probably do.

I'm just playing devils advocate and warning that popularity and public recognition has its up sides and its down sides, and my own personal experience has shown that the negative FAR outweighs the positive. I think that you get enough recognition just having THIS site up without doing Wikipedia and magazine articles and waving the whole deal around like a giant bullseye.

Sun, 10/29/2006 - 19:26

#30

nineteenthly

Has anyone seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1SqQMfBdtw

It's at 6:20 onwards.

This is maybe the sort of thing Fukureruba is talking about. To be honest, when i saw that, i just thought "so what?" and it didn't bother me at all. I just thought he didn't understand and that it was his problem. However, i do seriously take your point about unwanted attention. It's happened in other places, and it's sad. Most of the time, though, i think it's their problem, not ours.

Wouldn't there need to be somewhere to host a Wiki? I certainly don't know enough to work out how to do that.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

Sun, 10/29/2006 - 23:39

#31

darth_clone19

Well, I guess.

Look over at deviantart, where people actually believe our "porn" (yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but they do see it as full fledged pornography) shouldnt have a place in their site.

Yet semi naked, stupid anime, big breasted women do, somehow...

But anyway, who was going to find that wikipedia article? People looking for info on economic inflation?

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Mon, 10/30/2006 - 05:29

#32

The_Warlock

Reading Dan's second post actually made me a bit glad we don't have any hard-copy citings; bear with me a minute. His example of a truly disgusting fetish that has a Wiki entry was pedophelia. The hard-copy citings for pedophelia are I'm betting diagnostic criteria for a mental illness, or long-running criminal records. I'd rather we didn't get classed as mentally ill just for some legitimacy. :)

However, I admit it is somewhat galling to see so many pages on furries, macro, vore, unbirthing and others that I think of as even less mainstream than us; furries get a pass since they were on CSI, but the rest of them have less citations than we do.

Methinks someone just doesn't like our types. :-\

The Warlock

Mon, 10/30/2006 - 09:07

#33

Inflate123

All good points, and I totally understand why folks would see Wikipedia attention as a bad thing.

But I liked that "legitimacy" because it let people who were seeking that info find it without feeling like they were surfing porn sites. My normal website has always been a billboard to let like-minded people know that they were not alone. I'm thrilled whenever someone sends me a note that says "Wow, I am so glad to see other people are into this, thanks for your site." The Internet is bigger now so I don't get those as often, but that's what it was all about for me. And Wikipedia gives people the basic info without any of the trappings that might cause their family members to freak out of they walked into the room. It looked academic and detached. (Making our own Wiki would serve the same purpose, but you'd still have to dig to find it, whereas Wikipedia is large and well-established.)

For years I have harbored a secret jealousy of shoe fetishists. They are, quite honestly, no stranger than we are--but they are somehow accepted as weird yet harmless. We, however, inspire people to use words like "disgusting" and "disbelief." I'd rather be a socially accepted crackpot than an underground danger to moral values, and that's quite honestly where I saw Wikipedia as a boon. To simply be categorized alongside other fringe fetish groups was to remove some of the stigma of danger and disgust.

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Mon, 10/30/2006 - 09:22

#34

Inflate123

nineteenthly wrote:

Has anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1SqQMfBdtw

It's at 6:20 onwards.

This is maybe the sort of thing Fukureruba is talking about.

Maybe, but I'm less worried about YouTube videos that any judgemental person with a microphone can create. We're always going to have that. I guess the danger is that it goes further than that. But I don't really feel threatened by a guy who says "Wow, these people are sick. I think they're mentally unstable. What the fuck." He knows about as much about fetishes as he does about comedy.

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Mon, 10/30/2006 - 12:24

#35

deleted_20091014

As I said before, I can't remember any instance where we've been thrust into the attention of the wider internet community and people's responses have been positive. I think the first time I remember was when somethingawful.com did something about us... that was mainly light hearted but things are getting more and more viscious. I'm more worried about what Fukureruba said about possible rogue elements in our community who want exposure even if it is this negative. If you're one of those people then maybe consider that most of us don't want your attempts to make us a mainstream fetish to result in our websites and DA accounts being trolled.

Inevitably with something like DA, many people who have never heard of our fetish will stumble upon it. And they will think it's wierd, it's only natural for them to. But as I found out when a young mother expressed concern on my profile about the content of my drawings after her son stumbled upon them. Most people won't resort to trolling just because they don't understand us. Mangapunksai was a bit of an exception but the fact she went all quiet for over a year before suddenly reappearing again to harass people suggests to me that someone out there, in our community is encouraging her... maybe still commenting on that infamous anti-nflation cartoon she did.

I do sometimes worry about what goes on on the fringes of our community... we seem to have become too big too fast for it to merely be the result of people who have the fetish finding out about the community and joining us. I suspect that many of our DA detractors are right about one thing, I sometimes wonder if many of the inflation artists on DA actually have the fetish, or even know it is a fetish, or if there are just loads of anime kids who think it's the latest fad from Japan.

I miss the days when we were quite self contained... I would much rather just discuss inflation with people, read their stories and see their artwork than be distracted by loads of stories about the latest person to troll one of us on DA, about the legitimacy of our fetish and so on. At hte end of the day, people who have the fetish should know it's legitimate to them, to the rest of the world it's illegitimate otherwise it wouldn't be a fetish. If people within the community really need proof that we are legitimate then I wonder whether they really get the whole fetish thing.

Mon, 10/30/2006 - 13:47

#36

Mogman

Amen brother, short sweet and to the point. I also think it's grown a little too quickly. Not to sound like i'm trolling or flaming anyone but I don't agree with how the community is spreading itself so thinly across the internet in order to cover as many communities as possible (Myspace, GaiaOnline etc.) but yeah...I agree whole-heartedly with what you've said, carnatic :)

Mon, 10/30/2006 - 15:27

#37

Fukureruba

carnatic wrote:

I sometimes wonder if many of the inflation artists on DA actually have the fetish, or even know it is a fetish, or if there are just loads of anime kids who think it's the latest fad from Japan.
I miss the days when we were quite self contained... I would much rather just discuss inflation with people, read their stories and see their artwork than be distracted by loads of stories about the latest person to troll one of us on DA, about the legitimacy of our fetish and so on. At hte end of the day, people who have the fetish should know it's legitimate to them, to the rest of the world it's illegitimate otherwise it wouldn't be a fetish. If people within the community really need proof that we are legitimate then I wonder whether they really get the whole fetish thing.

Amen, Carnatic.

I think the same people you describe constitute about 90% of the ravenous art moochers that I have to deal with on a continual basis. I can't differentiate between potential art moocher and non-art moocher anymore, so I tend to ignore everyone (in case some people that I've inadvertantly pissed-off were curious as to why I don't like to talk to anyone). I also see increased popularity of the community as potentially making the art mooching situation worse for myself personally...and I really don't want to throw my hands up and walk away from this place too.

Like Carnatic, I long for the community in its earlier, simpler period of development. I think the community has become less dynamic in ways I can't exactly put my finger on. Perhaps it's the distractions that Carnatic points out. I just want to post my art for people to see without a lot of extra hooka.

I also, admit I should stay away from forums and the like, since I realize I tend to be incendiary sometimes, thinking with my glands instead of my brain.

I appologize to anyone I may have POed in the past and will PO in the future.

Mon, 10/30/2006 - 22:05

#38

darth_clone19

Well said Carnatic and Inflate.

Mangapunsaki hasn't resurfaced. I just commented on something really stupid she said, but it doesn't mean anything. We ended our bickering, and I think she dislikes me more than the fetish itself. And thats ok.

I really have NO idea why people think this is the weirdest thing they have ever seen. Out of the ordinary, yes, but shoe fetishists? I cant even begin to process why someone would have that fetish. But, thats whats great about the world: there is always something new to learn from and understand. Remember, understanding is not liking, contrary to what many seem to believe. Maybe, just MAYBE, people see this as strange because of many imposed social regularities about weight and appearance. From one person I talked with in devianart (she was pretty nice), she seems to believe this fetish degrades women because of how hard women work for their bodies. As if we were mocking them somehow. Of course, we know thats way too far form the truth. These people never take into consideration the transformation aspect, the surrealism of imagining something like that happening...

Also one has to remember that it is hot to imagine a model-type woman inflating. But thats just an aspect and not the whole of the fetish.

I really haven't seen much difference in the community. Maybe it's slower, but we are all getting old and many of you have other responsibilities. I do think Deviantart is a great place to be for us. The problem is that the site seems to have been taken over by the Opus Day.

Maybe its not that great for us, really. But I have encountered many inflationist talents there so I have an attachment to it. This and DA are basically the two sites I check out to see updates on our fetish.

- Read my stories: darth-clone19.deviantart.com

Wed, 11/01/2006 - 01:41

#39

DwarfPriest

darth_clone19 wrote:

Look over at deviantart, where people actually believe our "porn" (yes, I know it sounds ridiculous, but they do see it as full fledged pornography)

And a lot of people here... :?

Wed, 11/01/2006 - 06:41

#40

doubleintegral

Regarding an inflation wiki... I have 2GB of server space, 60GB of bandwidth, and web software know-how that I would be willing to donate to the cause.

If people would be willing to help moderate such a wiki (I don't have the time), please let me know via e-mail - doubleintegral@gmail.com.

Stories I have written

Sun, 02/06/2011 - 04:34

#41

Inflate123

Thread necromancy! I just found that there IS a body inflation Wiki page again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_inflation

The talk page shows that there's an editor trying to remove the page because he's barking about sources. The one time I tried to edit Wikipedia went very poorly, but I realized I have a source posted over at my site that is not listed and might strengthen our case. Anybody wanna add it? The PDF file in question ain't goin' nowhere so it's safe to link to as a source. I just don't have the skill to make it happen.

http://airytales.net/galleries/other-stuff/

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Sun, 02/06/2011 - 05:23

#42

hajile

Bah. Just a blurb? Don't they know how rich and complicated this odd sexual kink is?!

Mon, 02/07/2011 - 10:40

#43

Inflate123

Wikipedia is really just for "you've never heard of it? Well, here's the big picture." It's fine -- the article links to several sites in the community so anybody who wants to know more can know more. I'm just more concerned that the page will disappear again.

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Mon, 02/07/2011 - 15:31

#44

hajile

That's entirely possible, and I think it's pretty likely, in fact. Some goober sees the article, proclaims "Kill it with fire!" and the page goes away.

Yeesh, people. Sorry that odd kinks don't hew to your own standards, but if Wikipedia is going to let one fetish in, who's really going to be barred and who's going to be welcomed? But oh, well. I may be proven wrong.

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 06:02

#45

nineteenthly

The fact that this was questioned before seriously undermined my faith in Wikipedia. There's basically nothing i feel more certain exists than this! Makes me wonder how much else is out there, not in the sexual realm, which people just won't admit or believe is real.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

Tue, 02/08/2011 - 08:10

#46

Inflate123

The earlier comment I saw on the discussion page was that Deviant Desires was cited as a source, and -- paraphrasing only very slightly here -- the response was "one crackpot book does not constitute a source."

Wikipedia editors are sticklers for format, and I respect that because otherwise it's a worthless archive of arbitrary information. They do not want original research; they want proven, vetted content. But I've also found it strange that the only source they consider truly viable is print -- it has to be shown in a non-digital media for it to be "real."

So that puts people like us in a difficult place, because we existed but weren't quantifiable or even remotely organized before digital communities evolved. It's like...we're too new for them to believe.

Anyway, that's why I thought the Penthouse Forum article was another example to add, because it's print and therefore real. Someone mentioned G4 in the discussion page there too but I don't think it was taken seriously. Maybe PF wouldn't be either, but I think it's worth trying.

So we're back to the first question: Anybody Wiki-capable? :)

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Tue, 02/08/2011 - 09:42

#47

nineteenthly

There are places, for instance Netcipia.net , which will let you set up a wiki for free. However, it really depends on the traffic because i set up a wiki on something once and fervently encouraged people to contribute and they just didn't. It might be to do with how net-savvy people are, and i think we seem to be more so than the community i had in mind for the other one were, but i strongly suspect it would just sit there with no contributions unless we can get several people here to commit to making contributions regularly. The other one just ended up as my personal site, so i abandoned it.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 02:51

#48

Heart-chan

Why do we care if we have a wikipedia article in the first place, it's gone, oh well, life goes on...

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 04:47

#49

srflour

Seems pretty real when when I check some of my printed credit card statements and see charges for pay sites that make real inflation props, put them on real people, inflate them, then sell to real people for real money.

This here Mood Boobs DVD is also very real, printed cover and all.

Lots of artwork is drawn on paper then scanned.

...etc.

Is it possibly that it's not quite so much a matter of that it actually exists as it is verification that the description is deemed to be resonably accurate?

"Continue the research..."

Wed, 02/09/2011 - 09:22

#50

Inflate123

srflour wrote:

Is it possibly that it's not quite so much a matter of that it actually exists as it is verification that the description is deemed to be resonably accurate?

Unfortunately, that was not the case last time. It was a very accurate description of the fetish -- don't know who wrote the original one, but it was clearly someone who was around for a while and knew what they were describing -- but the Wikipedia editors are not asking for "is this real" but "is this verifiable." As they explicitly state here: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth; that is, whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true."

So it's unfortunately not a matter of "hey, you have that description wrong" or "I don't think that's really what it is" -- it's entirely "I can prove this exists through these verified sources." There are not supposed to be any editorial opinions on the site, which is why a verifiable source trumps everything.

Mood Boobs might also be a verifiable source, though I suspect they will say "that's not body inflation, that's BE." Still, I'm sure there's a format for citing movies, but I don't know what it is.

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Wed, 02/09/2011 - 12:24

#51

nineteenthly

Heart-chan wrote:

Why do we care if we have a wikipedia article in the first place, it's gone, oh well, life goes on...

Well, i care quite a lot. When i was a teen, i was really screwed up and thought being this way would mean i'd never get a girlfriend and die a virgin. It had a massive impact on my life. It does not feel good to feel like a freak and a pervert, and totally alone in the world this way. People will look on Wikipedia for this sort of thing and it will make them feel less isolated. That's why i think it's important.

http://www.youtube.com/user/nineteenthly

Wikipedia has removed our article.

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