sizecon.com
Apparently this is a thing? Is it a thing? I just heard about it recently and haven't seen much more info beyond the minimal information on the site. I mean, if we're getting a Con, doesn't that mean something for the community? Are we getting out there that much now?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sizecon/nyc-sizecon Lots of more info
New York City... If you live nearby - go for it! Looks promising!
I can't get their page displayed right, but I can't find dates even when I read its html... Do you know when will it happen?
There WILL BE someone from BI there anyway (I'll be surprised if organizers are not from BI ^_^ )
While I'm also pretty sure that someone from the BI community would be there, if it was organized by people by BI then I figured it would at least be announced here...
According to the site, April 23rd of next year is the date.
While giantism seems to be the primary focus, other expansion types will be represented. MaxGrowth is supposedly making an appearance.
Furthermore, their Kickstart has officially started.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sizecon/nyc-sizecon?ref=hero_thanks
I may go, but I will try to contribute if I can!
Hmm. I'm not really sure if this is my cup of tea, and it'd be super expensive to go to (Airfare in Canada to the US alone is like $800 CAD for those dates, not including hotels and the like). I do like the effort they put into the kickstarter and things so I'll probably support that anyways and hope it makes it.
Perhaps if it was more inflation focused I'd go but as of right now I don't make enough to justify it.
MaxGrowth reps have stated that the con will also feature inflation/expansion events and vendors. I mean, I think their goal was to cast a net, hoping to catch anyone with growth related kinks. I don't blame them for trying, and furthermore I have to say it takes a lot in order to bring something that is almost internet exclusive to the real world. By the sound of it, its looking 60% Giantess/Shrinking, with the rest going to inflation/expansion.
Though, I do agree with you on the costs. I'm on the opposite side of the country, and between the admission ticket, flight/drive costs, hotel, AND on site purchases, its going to be $1000 without trying. Additionally, its a one-day event, so you essentially have to be there or miss out entirely. I understand its a new con and its starting out small, but its a big money investment for anyone having to air travel.
Regardless, depending on my next two paychecks, I thinking of going. Even if it is small, this our community. One of the best feelings is finding others who share the same kinks as yourself, that's why we're all here, at least in some small part, right? Sometimes you have to just take that leap of faith for things you enjoy.
True, but I feel I wouldn't fit in as well, but at the at the same time perhaps famously. I'm not really into artwork or writing or things like that, I'm a big IRL sort of guy. That being said it puts me in the minority and I feel that inflation is already going to be a small enough group there (you'd probably know more about it, but I feel inflation/expansion would be closer to 30% or lower. Hope I am wrong on that though).
On that note though, I'd love to get to meet some of you guys here on the forums, I'm just not sure that right now it's a financially responsible idea. I'm still low wage after college and planning on going to Vegas end of January, so I guess I'll see how things go. Fingers crossed. Maybe if I can go bring my inflatable suit...
Even if it is small, this our community.
It doesn't seem like this is really "our community" since I don't really consider giant/giantess to fall under the realm of expansion. This event seems more like it's for someone else's community and may or may not be tangentially including us based on a common generalized trait. If I were considering plunking down the money to go (which I'm not), I would first want to make absolutely sure that my interests are adequately represented there. Based on what we know so far, the conference wouldn't meet my criteria.
This pretty much sums it up for me. I won't judge right off the bat since it's so early, but if that's it's focus (which I am totally ok with, the base isn't an inflation convention) then I'd have to take a pass for those reasons alone.
I have heard and kept a close look at all the info on this convention. With it being so close to by Birthday Id love to travel to New York to see this SizeCon myself, the only problem as you said Shana is the cost its gonna be for it all total. As someone who's been to many conventions (Mostly Comicon) I know the expenses and experience of it all.
Otherwise if money wasnt the issue for me id hop on the next plane to see it myself, and if I could id love to meet you my dear friend, and everyone else their as well :)
If it does catch on, and it will, it will (No punt intended) Expand and grow into a common Convention that will travel from state to state. Obviously trying New York first to see what happens and then who knows, they may bring it to the West Coast by us. And as it expands other Size related companies will wanna invest in apperances like Taylor Made Clips, GrowthDreams and More.
Glad to see the Size Con news has made it here. I will be attending and bringing along our actress, Lucia. The Con is intended to be an event for anything "Size Change" related including expansion, inflation, even muscle growth content producers are being contacted. It may not be a good fit for everyone for many reasons, but the organizers are doing everything possible to make sure everyone is represented and has cool stuff to do/see that is related to their interests.
I will be bringing some of my props and I'm hoping to have a full spherical blueberry suit completed for some of the size celebs to wear and take pictures in. THIS IS NOT a guarantee. I'm working with a costumer now and I'm hopeful that this will get done for the Con. And as soon as I have the completed, working suit, I will make sure the Con organizers know.
I hope to see many of you at the Con and put faces with names I've seen floating around the web for years. I attended the Macro/Micro meet-up in NYC that this con sprang forth from and I was greatly enriched and moved by stories from fellow fetishists about their lives, kinks, and personal issues relating to them. These are serious people who want to do something special with/and for the Size community as a whole.
I agree, Im glad to see something like this actually becoming a reality for many. Unfortunately my friend I cant afford to travel to New York for such an occasion. One of these days I hope this convention will catch on and make an apperance in the West Coast :)
I really want to go to this. I'm still close by to NYC even if it'll be a drive there. I want to go so badly, but my biggest concern isn't financial. It's who will get me there. I wouldn't feel comfortable asking a family member in Jersey just to take me to the location in the city or mention what this is all about. Like how would I explain what kind of con it is and I might feel like I'll be questioned about it. I know a friend lives close by and this would be a first seeing him, but would definitely need to be in public since we talk online. I don't know anyone else in RL or many friend friends in general to rely on for this unless they go to the city too.
And seeing that blueberry suit is tempting, just as much as if there would be volunteers to try it on but I doubt that.
It's a logistical issue for many people. I don't know about your situation, but is there maybe a train you could take into the city and grab a cab or the subway from there? I understand that might not be easy, depending on where you live, just trying to help.
If I'm able to get the blueberry suit constructed, there will be plenty of models willing to wear it. I know of 3 ladies for certain.
I hope you can make it, but I understand the travel can be problematic.
I've already dedicated my pledge to their $250 MaxGrowth goal. Yet despite that...they have yet to break even $2k. They still have a month, but its looking iffy at the moment. What their asking isn't a whole lot, especially considering how many people are likely in our community + the Giantess/Shrinking community. Even if it ends up being a small con, it'll be an experience.
Of course it is going to fail.
It is going to be a financial flop and I would be surprised if they even manage to break even after all the expenses/affiliated costs.
I don't know much about Kickstarter but hopefully for your sake, there is a refund clause for things that don't reach their goals.
Edit: Spelling
If they don't raise the money via Kickstarter the money will be returned, so there is no issue on that front.
WinglyKing: Thanks so much for the pledge. I will do everything in my power to make sure this becomes a reality.
2000 USD you say? How many people are here? Just around 2000?
let's pay 1 USD, each of us
So to chime on this myself.
As someone who is an event planner and created a successful furry convention which is coming into it's 7th year now. I can't begin to tell you how much effort it is to pull something like this off. I do wish them success, but there are many factors here that makes me think it may not.
Theme aside and looking at this from a logistical point of view. NYC is a terrible choice for a small fan based convention. Whilst you might be able to pull this location off with a fan con that brings in tens of thousands. Even that of a few thousand would struggle to able to afford a prime location. My advice to them would be to look outside of NYC. Perhaps look upstate or in New Jersy etc. Considering people attend these events for the theme itself and not the location. Simply finding an affordable accommodating space should be your first thing when considering a con. What they will be paying to shot in a hotel or have to promise in room blocks will be far to high to what I see a con like this in it's first year could bring in. Also, how many of you want to try and get around NYC? If you went would the city be a draw card for you or would you be going to hang with like minded people? Also if they're looking at doing a small start up con and on a budget, chances are they'll have to look into some pretty sketchy parts of NYC to be able to afford to do it. Meaning, you wouldn't want to venture out much anyway.
Other point to bring up is a big problem with most fan cons when they start up (and unfortunately fail) is delusions of grandeur. Don't assume your first con will bring in thousands. In fact start off thinking it will only bring in 100 or so. If you cap out on space and can't sell anymore tickets. Great, you'll know you can go a bit bigger next year. So many cons fail because of this. They don't consider the cost of venue, insurance, set up, union fees etc.
Now onto theme. It is size con and it's focus is on the Macro/Micro community. I don't see there being enough inflationists around to be able to start their own convention and sub categories generally do better being lumped into a bigger event. It's why you'll see everything at fetish events. I don't see why someone from the community couldn't contact them and ask if the inflation section couldn't chime in on the event either. They could clearly use the support. At furry conventions, you'll see a ton of sub categories which make their way in.
Lastly this "kickstarter" thing. Maybe it's my business mind kicking in. But if you need funds to even start the event, then you're doing something wrong. These things should run not for profit. Meaning registrations to the event are what pay for the event and content. The more regos you have the more you can add and do. I go back to what I was saying about starting small. Find a hotel that can hold a couple hundred in ballroom. Work out an amount with the hotel to hire and go from there. Sure, a little money may be needed at the start, but this can be paid back once it starts succeeding.
Just my two cents, I do hope they pull it off and have knowledgeable event organizers on their team. But for an event that is happening in April and they haven't even started. They're already setting themselves up for a big chance to fail.
It would be nice to see a con for like minded people.
I wish them the best of luck. :)
To be fair, they are only hoping for 150-200 attendees - hardly a ComicCon.
And how do you know that this is a for-profit event? If their Kickstarter goal is $15k then I fully expect them to take a bath given the location they've chosen and the type of venue they are looking for. There will also be vendors to pay for furniture, staging, audio/visual, and other things.
As Double said the kickstarter goal is 15k, that's hardly enough to make a profit off of. For starters this is NYC there's a good chance that upwards of half of that could go to just renting the room. The "size fetish" studios who are showing up need an incentive to show up so I wouldn't be suprised if some or all the remaining money goes to the fetish models.
I haven't seen any posts by the size con people saying thousands of people will show up and there sure isn't delusions of grandeur. I think they are being realistic and expect one to two hundred people might so up at the most.
I hope it works out for them and they are able to get the event going it would be something fun for everyone with size fetishs to check out if they are able to make it.
The only concern I have and I'm surprised nobody brought this up was the really freaky people that come along with any type of fetish. The one's that never seem to be all there and have some underlying mental issues. Hopefully sizecon has taken into account the need for some type of security just in case somebody shows up and starts causing problems. Other then that I can't see why they wouldn't be able to get a convention going evne if it was a small one.
The only concern I have and I'm surprised nobody brought this up was the really freaky people that come along with any type of fetish. The one's that never seem to be all there and have some underlying mental issues. Hopefully sizecon has taken into account the need for some type of security just in case somebody shows up and starts causing problems. Other then that I can't see why they wouldn't be able to get a convention going evne if it was a small one.
This is a good point and I imagine they will or at least hopefully will now too. Every subculture, whether fetish or not is going to have undesirables and/or....well I'm not really sure how to put it without sounding like an unintelligent ass, but mentally unstable folks. I'm sure there's a better term I just can't think of one right now.
Regardless, even if they do/do not/will now, you can't really mention that kind of stuff, and talking about it can just bring bad opinions and uneasiness. I think that's probably why it wasn't brought up, or people just don't feel right bringing it up in the first place.
Regardless, even if they do/do not/will now, you can't really mention that kind of stuff, and talking about it can just bring bad opinions and uneasiness. I think that's probably why it wasn't brought up, or people just don't feel right bringing it up in the first place.
You're right, it wouldn't be a good idea to talk about or advertise the fact they (hopefully) will have some type of security present. I hope they at least discussed it amongst themselves.
I've heard stories over the years of women becoming somewhat successful after making a few fetish clips and porn videos only to be chased off by a guy who believes she loves him for some reason and they'll fall in love if he could just meet her. Normally this leads to the guy somehow finding their private social media accounts and stalking them or showing up in person at where they live.
Maybe I'm being paranoid but I was worried something like what I said above could happen at the con. The possibility of something like that actually happening is probably low and it's a public place opposed to someone's house which helps deter anyone from doing something crazy.
I hope everything works out and Sizecon has a good turnout. Maybe the con will help make the fetish a little more popular.
"Maybe the con will help make the fetish a little more popular."
Ugh....
^ Yeah, I'm perfectly fine with the fetish's current "popularity" and think that more attention being given to us "from the outside" would do more harm than good.
What is the problem with trying to make something become a little more popular then it is currently?
There would be people who dislike the fetish like all fetishes but there would also be people who like it once they realize it exists.
There is one girl i know of who once she realized the BE was a thing took a liking to it.
Dealing with a few critics but having the possibility of new and real content created for the fetish is better then lurking in the shadows hooping some anime might do a short sequence or looking for scraps of TV shows.
Because you're basically being the fetish equivalent of those people who tells everyone they are vegan/atheist/crossfit training, etc.
You're being the answer to a question nobody asked. Trying to make something "more popular" will cause more of a negative backlash than just letting it run its own course.
The community/fetish is fine the way it is. No need to be an Inflationist Don King.
I'm not trying to be the fetish equivalent of someone who tells everyone what they are nor am not walking around telling everyone about the fetish or demanding they accept or partake in it like a vegan/atheist ect does. I only made a statement saying that if the fetish were to become more popular and more people became interested in it or liked it it would cause a larger amount of content to be created for the fetish that was it. I wasn't telling people to go advertise in the local paper or bang down doors.
Clips4sale is a good example of the popularization of the fetish. When I first started looking at expansion content Clips4sale didn't even have a BE catagory on their website let alone a decent amount of videos. Once people started to commission BE related clips and some of the studios noticed there was money to be made in BE a large amount of clips started to be created. If this wouldn't of happened we would still be stuck with five plus year old video from youtube and scrounging around the internet for whatever small clip might be hidden away.
I know of one specfic person on Clips4sale who like I said before, after being commissoned to do a clip realized she really liked BE. Another actress was just introduced to the breast expansion concept and couldn't believe how many people bought her video.
To reiterate my previous comment, yes anything which becomes popular does have an amount of positive as well as negitive feedback associated with it. I believe that any amount of positive gain that would come along with people realizing that this is a fetish outweighs the negitive.
This like many websites relating to a fetish is an anonymous forum even if someone were to come here to criticise the fetish they wouldn't know who any of us are and I'm sure Luther or any other Mods they may be on this site would take down whatever posts may come up.
Depending on what you're looking for in the community I'm sure there are varying opinions on how the community as a whole is doing. I think it's died out over the years and the only thing that really revitilizes it is the occasional clip that comes out one every month or two. It looks like the fetish was really a live and thriving back between 2008 and 2012 when a lot of the content I still see today was posted.
If you want to continue this conversation we should open a new forum post so we don't derail this Sizecon topic.
I don't really follow the vegan/atheist analogy and the "inflationist Don King" comment may be a bit strong. However, to respond to your points Sakeen:
The inflation community has existed on the Internet for close to 20 years. Yes, the community's footprint has expanded (pun completely intended) through the years - at first it was just some newsgroups, then Luther's and Inflate123's sites (along with sites that no longer exist, such as those made by Wren, David Sladky, Billy McFred, and Spectre), then Yahoo/MSN groups, then DeviantArt, YouTube, and so on. This all happened on its own without needing conventions or meetups. The common thread here is that all of these things are based on the Internet where people are still afforded some amount of anonymity. No one ever said, "Hey, let's all drop the pseudonyms, exchange photos of ourselves, and talk about a really private part of our lives." Props to the people that would be willing to do such a thing, but they would be in the extreme minority. Furthermore, these sites have all largely been self-serving in that they are primarily a resource for the people who are already there or are specifically seeking them. That "outsiders" become exposed to the fetish is more of a byproduct of these sites' presence than it is their mission statements.
And yet, even with all of that being the case, new artists and authors come along, new people show up on YouTube ready to ram a hose inside their bodies, and yes, new people show up on sites like C4S playing up our fetish. How did they find out about us? Don't know, but this is just more of the same cycle that has taken place repeatedly throughout the years and is proof to me that the way we already do things is working just fine.
Your thinking is kind of small if you think the worst we could be subjected to is some trolls finding their way here. Yes, our people have been victims of negative feedback and censorship (e.g. on DeviantArt), but that's relatively small-time stuff. It IS possible for our fantasyland to spill over into real life (e.g. Bambi Blaze), and the possibility of it only increases with the greater scrutiny that comes from having a higher profile. For all of these reasons, plenty of us are perfectly happy with our little corner of the Internet and would prefer it to stay that way.
I would also disagree with your assertion that the community has died out and am curious to know your criteria for making such an assertion. It certainly ebbs and flows, but I think the last 4-5 years have produced some of the best art and stories the community has seen.
I applaud anyone who wants to organize or attend a convention regarding our interests, but the goal of such a convention should be self-serving for the people who attend. Star Trek conventions aren't intended to attract outsiders to Star Trek; they exist for Star Trek fans. People go to ComicCon because they want to see something or someone that will be there, not because they don't have any better way to spend their time and money. I would hope that SizeCon sees itself as simply providing a service to its existing demographic instead of trying to be some type of outreach mechanism. It would be foolish to think that greater exposure and popularity is a universally good thing, and it would be an incorrect assumption that everyone in the community wants it.
I wouldn't exactly say that. Yes you can probably count on more negative backlash but I think putting the word out wouldn't be such a bad thing, so long as it isn't forced down their throat.
I'd say we still scrounge, but that's besides the point.
I just don't think that many people would be willing to put themselves out in public like that. I just don't see how meeting someone you've fapped to wouldn't be awkward, despite them obviously being normal, nice people.
Internet exposure is fine. We're all wearing our masks, and when we've had our fill, we return to our lives with (hopefully) nobody you don't want to find out none the wiser. Hell, we can even risk putting ourselves out there to complete strangers, possibly trying to recruit them, for lack of a better term, because there's a much smaller chance for repurcussions.
But again, even if it gets enough funding (and good on them if it does), I'm skeptical it'll succeed.
I just don't want our fetish to be the butt of more jokes, y'know?
nvm
There's really just too much here for me to keep addressing and counter-pointing. I will say a few things that are easy to condense. If anybody wants to have a serious discussion or ask me specifics about SIzeCon, I'm happy for you to message me here.
1) There will of course be security.
2) The Con is primarily geared toward people in the community and is not intended as some manifesto or social outreach to the mainstream.
I wish everybody here well, and hope everyone has a wonderful holiday season.
I'm super excited to let you guys know that Opik-Oort is going to attend SizeCon as a guest. As one of the premiere inflation artists on the net, I feel really blessed that we were able to land him.
Merry Christmas!
Hopefully you haven't had him pre-purchase any travel tickets/expenses. That would just add to this looking more poorly.
So, just to clarify, if the Kickstater doesn't make its goal, is this still going down or what?
According to the main "planner" once it doesn't raise the funds they were looking for, they want to still meet up somewhere. Which translates into about 3-4 people sitting in a local coffee shop chatting about what they enjoy masturbating too the most.
Why are you being so rude and obnoxious about this? I get that you think/know it's not going to work and that it's a terrible idea, but you really don't have to go the extra mile and give rude forcasting on if it fails. You could have just said: "According to the main "planner" once it doesn't raise the funds they were looking for, they want to still meet up somewhere." and it would have answered the question well enough.
Because I can.
Yes but to what benefit? All your doing is painting somebody/people in a bad light. You don't have to act so rudely, especially when something isn't directly or inadvertendly attacking you.
Really, why are you so buttflustered about this affair? I can even agree with you on some of your points, its probably going to be a fiscal flop, its kind of silly to make travel plans when a location or setting hasn't been nailed down, and I'm not about to fly to NYC to hang out, albiet with some like minded individuals, at Denny's. Maybe a drive down the highway to meet at IHOP, sure, but travel arrangements to go to Denny's NYC to talk about my weird sexual preferences? Perposterous. :p
However, you seem to be fighting tooth and nail against this thing from the start and I just dont get it. You're pissed like you have some money and honor riding on it, when all it is a bunch of people getting together do something they enjoy and can still enjoy, with or without you. Do you just not like cons and the people it attracts? If so, thats cool, there are some really weird people (pot calling the kettle black) that go to conventions and I understand your feelings there. But if not that, then what? That people who like stuff that you like are doing stuff you don't like and you don't like it because you think it will reflect poorly on your virtually anonymous presense at the fetish forum?
I frankly think you'd have to be kind of dense to think that this event is going to generate any sort of "popularity" outside of the channels of forums that cater to these fetishes, kind of a closed loop, but lets say hypothetically, I'm wrong. The first convention, so far comprised of 50 paid ticket holders, is a resounding success and just for the sake of arguement, starts trending on Twitter, Facebook, the whole MSM clusterfuck spectrum, and even Jimmy Fallon sends a flunky down to where ever this goes down to cover the con. We are at MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE POPULARITY by the end of 2016, full blown meme status worthy of 4chan, and dozens of new sites devoted to the related fetishes pop-up and more people start to come out of the woodwork to express their like for it. Where is the problem? The people who don't like it? Fuck them, they were never part of the equation to begin with.
I recall one role-playing game. It was funded by fees, and organizing committee was taken away by real life issues one by one. So people stopped paying, and everyone asked whether it will happen or not. And it came to the point when there were no organizers, but everyone just wanted to gather. Teams were preparing, captains were nervous, organizers disappeared. And we realised - if we want it, then we'll have it, and we don't care who pays for it or who is organizing it. Months passed, and the day came. When I saw this crowd looking at me I thought - omg, what I'm gonna do with them all? But it soon passed - I just asked one guy to look for combat rules, another girl to check magic, another guy to oversee economy, spread handouts and we were go. It was such a drive - you couldn't tell a week before nobody was sure whether it will happen. People were waking me up at night - like, hey, I was killed in a siege, now I'm playing my own son, give me a new passport. You won't believe if I tell you how successful it was - people from 5 time zones away still recall it as their best game.
Why I'm telling this? SizeCon is just another convention. Conventions aren't about money. They're about people. If people want to gather - they'll find a way. If you want to come - just come. It'll be as fun as you make it. ^_^
I am kind of interested in going but would want to see it go through being offically on before commiting to buy a ticket and such. And well would hope that there would be a lot of people from the inflation community.
SizeCon is something I would like to happen, but I'm skeptical this kickstarter will reach its $15,000 goal in 5 days. It hasn't even reached 50% of that yet.
There will be a plan B. I assure you, the event will happen. Once the kickstarter has run it's full course, there will be new information coming out as soon as possible. This will include the venue, so folks can resolve any lingering concerns and book rooms and make travel arrangements.
If anyone would like to speak to me directly about the con, feel free to note me here or on my DA and I will be glad to discuss anything with you.
There's been a lot of discussion of this around the commmunity. Frankly these fall into two broad groups:
A) I'm not going because it's Dashcon 2.0
B) I wish I could go but...
Personally I'm a bit in both columns. My job won't allow me to go at that time and, as one of the few inflation artists to appear at regular cons under this or my other name, I'm a bit on the leery side about this one. Some of our community members are not..... terribly good at socializing, and it only takes a few people with a con this size acting out to have the whole thing come down in flames like the Hindenburg.
Man, I'm really exhausted. I never thought the community was going to hold hands and sing "kumbaya" over the SizeCon campfire in total love and unity. But, I wasn't expecting, what has been for the most part, an overwhelming negativity. Ranging from some honest and rational skeptics, to complete assholes who are actively looking to sabotage the thing. I over-reacted last week on Inflatechan to some comments, and it wasn't even really those comments, it was just the situation. I was really excited Opik-Oort had agreed to be a celeb Guest. I thought other people would be excited as well, especially after much handwringing about the con only being for giant/shrinking stuff. But, it was just more negativity.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion. Some concerns have merit. Some things could have been done differently. I think with Kickstarter not being fully funded and making the website the source of ticket sales and VIP packages, making the website current and easier to use, and having a set venue, will help over the next 3 plus months to add some stability to the proceedings and hopefully put some people at ease and allow things to percolate.
I'll be there. Five people or five hundred. In a backyard or in a convention center. I plan to have a great time with some awesome people. It's your community. It's my community. It's our community. It's what we make of it.
I wish I could conjure up some great speech, but I think at this point, I'm not going to sway anybody beyond how they already feel. I wish everybody the best for 2016. I hope it's everything you're hoping for.
So is it a convention for gigantism fetishes or growth in general, or...what?
(Not on here too often, replies might be slow.)