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Forum UK - feature story on BI

Volume 42, Number 12 of Forum UK ("Forum" as in "Penthouse") just arrived in my mailbox...and look at the lower left of the cover.

That's a bit of a surprise.

Critical Volume and I were interviewed via email a few months ago and I thought it would be a small story, like 250 words or something short. You know, like "Huh, will you look at that little splinter culture, who knew?" Turns out it's an eight-page feature, and it's mentioned on the cover.

The article is very respectful. It is composed mostly of direct quotes and does not judge, it just sort of lets CV and I give our versions of what we're into and why. His artwork was used to illustrate the piece, in full-page fashion, and I think it looks great.

Can anybody in the UK poke around the naughty newsstands and confirm that it's for sale?

Anonymous

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Can you scan the article pages for us?

hellview_666
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Wow, who knew?

I could try and give it a look round next week - probably in Waterstones or Borders since they do a lot of magazines.

uhcm

At the US, poor me for not being there. :lol:

But it would be interesting, seeing how the community is slowly surfacing out of fear's curtains.

Good show, Critical Volume and Inflate123! :D

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Thanks, I'm happy to have been involved.

But...fear's curtains? I don't think it's a matter of being afraid so much as simply not being contacted or of interest. G4 clearly sees something to mine all of a sudden, but the mainstream media has flirted with us in the past. The Daily Show contacted me several years ago when Kilborn was there, and they dropped the ball as soon as I said I was a fan of the show and would be happy to cooperate; I said I knew what I was in for. That's the moment they stopped calling. If I was aware and in on the joke, they didn't want to do the segment.

So...maybe fear isn't the right word. :)

I suspect Forum will get letters that say "Is this a joke?"

Bellywolf

Hahaha! That is wonderful! I hope one of our wonderful UK residents can pick up a copy and scan it for all of us not lucky enough to be able to purchase it in the states.

kuumuzu

That's really awesome, nice work fellas!
I'll have a look around for you and see if I can get my hands on a copy and throw it in my scanner for you. ^_^

hellview_666
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kuumuzu wrote:
That's really awesome, nice work fellas!
I'll have a look around for you and see if I can get my hands on a copy and throw it in my scanner for you. ^_^

You and me both kuumuzu :D

Anonymous
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kuumuzu wrote:
That's really awesome, nice work fellas!
I'll have a look around for you and see if I can get my hands on a copy and throw it in my scanner for you. ^_^

You and me both kuumuzu :D

Thanks guys

LittlePumpkin

Oh, this makes me curious! I really hope someone can scan it for us! :D

Inflate123
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I can ask for permission to scan it. It is copyrighted material, so I dunno how accomodating they'll be (says the guy who works at a magazine). I mean, they wanna sell issues, not give away online scans. But I haven't found a site that lets you buy imported magazines either.

darth_clone19
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Funny, it says Body Inflation right on the cover, and the girl on the cover looks very inflatable! XD

This is certainly a surprise. I have a friend (who knows of my fetish) that is studying to be a sexologist who may be interested in this haha At least to give me some credibility :p

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Bellywolf
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I can ask for permission to scan it. It is copyrighted material, so I dunno how accomodating they'll be (says the guy who works at a magazine). I mean, they wanna sell issues, not give away online scans. But I haven't found a site that lets you buy imported magazines either.

well we only want the 8 pages, not the whole magazine, if there was a way to purchase it online i would.

klaeresource
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well we only want the 8 pages, not the whole magazine, if there was a way to purchase it online i would.

"In whole or in part." Come on, you must have seen enough copyright notices and FBI warnings in this day and age! Don't try to rationalize it just because it is what you want. Eight pages or one page, the price of admission is the cover price. Inflate123 said he would ask. If the publisher says "no," don't expect him to stick his neck out just to satisfy you. (Someone else might upload it, but Inflate123 is under no obligation.)

klaeresource

Volume 42, 8 seems to be the most recent. Inflate123 obviously received an advance copy. Look for 42,12 to appear later: http://www.ukforum.co.uk/

Bellywolf
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Bellywolf wrote:
well we only want the 8 pages, not the whole magazine, if there was a way to purchase it online i would.

"In whole or in part." Come on, you must have seen enough copyright notices and FBI warnings in this day and age! Don't try to rationalize it just because it is what you want. Eight pages or one page, the price of admission is the cover price. Inflate123 said he would ask. If the publisher says "no," don't expect him to stick his neck out just to satisfy you. (Someone else might upload it, but Inflate123 is under no obligation.)

chill out, if you wanted to grandstand you could have made another thread.

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darth_clone19 wrote:
I have a friend (who knows of my fetish) that is studying to be a sexologist who may be interested in this haha At least to give me some credibility :p

You know, I was thinking about the credibility thing too and how it relates to Wikipedia deleting our entry. Previous discussion on this topic here.

The page was removed because there were not enough verifiable sources. Kathleen Gates' book "Deviant Desires" was not deemed enough. But now we have that, and this Forum article, and G4's segments...does that legitimize us to the point where we can ask for the page to be reinstated?

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klae's looking at it the way I'm looking at it, but it all depends on the acceptance of "posting copyrighted material is theft." If you don't see it that way, then you certainly can't have a discussion about the finer ethical points beyond. Scanning "just the good parts" of a magazine has become common to the point of social acceptance -- technology trumps ethics -- but it's still not actually allowed. I think that's the disconnect here.

We're only interested in the eight pages, fair enough. But they don't come sold separately. The retort is that if you steal $100 or $100,000, that's still stealing. Or if you want Bambi's videos, you can't buy one at a time; you have to buy a subscription or you don't get to see any of them. Not choosing to subscribe doesn't mean it's okay to just steal the two or three clips that most interest you, because it's just a few out of the large collection that comes with a subscription. So that's where my head is at on this topic.

When someone scans in articles from my day-job magazine, they're doing it so they don't "have" to buy it. Online, it's trendy to say "yeah, print magazines are dead and worthless, they suck" and then see people get excited about scanning in a review and posting it, and have a big discussion about it. Well, it's of value then, right? The content doesn't suck; the price does. Or rather, it's easier and preferable to read a scan than to pay for it.

I'm sometimes the person who sends an email to the site owner or poster, asking for it to be removed politely so I don't have to call the lawyers. So I cannot, in good conscience, say "don't scan my magazine, but let's scan theirs."

Other times, when we've done an article on a company and they want to post the thing on their site, we sometimes grant limited permission. Like I said...I'll ask.

Inflate123
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klaeresource wrote:
Volume 42, 8 seems to be the most recent. Inflate123 obviously received an advance copy. Look for 42,12 to appear later: http://www.ukforum.co.uk/

That website is horribly out of date -- something the author of the article apologized for! I offered to link to the site when the issue went public and she said "Thanks, but I don't know if you'll find anything current there."

But it does have some info showing that 42.12 is the next issue out the door, and may have shipped already. Issue 42.8 would be their August issue -- the on-sale date for that issue is listed on the site as July 26, 2008. In magazines, on-sale dates are the drop-dead for which the issue MUST go on sale no later than, but they often drop a few days early -- vendors just unpack the boxes and put them right on the shelf in many cases. So if August was on sale in late July, that puts the December on newsstands...any second now.

Maybe I got my copy a week or two ahead of newsstands, but I'm also in California, so it took a full week to get to me from England. But it certainly wasn't a four-month advance copy! :)

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Good news -- they said yes! Better than that, they're saying they will send me the files themselves, which is better than scans. Apparently they figured, what the hell, and it's a good promotional tool. I hope the UK fetishists who do have the ability to pick it up still do -- they are doing us an exceptionally nice favor.

This is very unusual because mags make the bulk of their money on ads. That's one of the reasons people get upset about just the content pages getting scanned; at least if you borrow a friend's mag, you're getting ad exposure to what they call "pass along readership." There is an upside, money wise. But pages scanned at home with no ads don't have any ads on them -- and if you post the content on a website, it's usually a website that the publisher themselves is also selling ads on. So I really didn't expect them to say yes. I do not think my job would have!

In any case, glad I asked. I think we did the "right thing" and we'll be rewarded. Sounds like the files will arrive later this week.

hellview_666
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Wow that's really nice of them... :) Hmmmm I couldn't find it but I'm sure I'll see it around

Dexy

Good news, I'm really looking forward to reading it!

Bellywolf
Inflate123 wrote:
Good news -- they said yes!

I kind of figured they would. You aint the only one in the magazine biz ;)

Inflate123
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Bellywolf wrote:
Inflate123 wrote:
Good news -- they said yes!

I kind of figured they would. You aint the only one in the magazine biz ;)

I kind of figured they wouldn't. Does your magazine give away content with no ads attached to it? Mine don't! :)

Bellywolf
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Bellywolf wrote:
Inflate123 wrote:
Good news -- they said yes!

I kind of figured they would. You aint the only one in the magazine biz ;)

I kind of figured they wouldn't. Does your magazine give away content with no ads attached to it? Mine don't! :)

We have a digital version users can download on our website for free complete with ads. The inserts are also scanned in, but there are very few.

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Inflate123 wrote:
klaeresource wrote:
Volume 42, 8 seems to be the most recent. Inflate123 obviously received an advance copy. Look for 42,12 to appear later: http://www.ukforum.co.uk/

That website is horribly out of date -- something the author of the article apologized for! I offered to link to the site when the issue went public and she said "Thanks, but I don't know if you'll find anything current there."

But it does have some info showing that 42.12 is the next issue out the door, and may have shipped already. Issue 42.8 would be their August issue -- the on-sale date for that issue is listed on the site as July 26, 2008. In magazines, on-sale dates are the drop-dead for which the issue MUST go on sale no later than, but they often drop a few days early -- vendors just unpack the boxes and put them right on the shelf in many cases. So if August was on sale in late July, that puts the December on newsstands...any second now.

Maybe I got my copy a week or two ahead of newsstands, but I'm also in California, so it took a full week to get to me from England. But it certainly wasn't a four-month advance copy! :)

If it's the December issue then it will definitely be on the shelves now.

I don't know if you do it over there, but over here they release the December issue at the start of November, the August issue at the start of July and so on. Don't ask me why, I think it's something to do with, if it's called the December issue then they want to reach all the potential readers by the start of December. Also most monthly's over here have 13 issues, they also release a christmas issue at the start of December, and the January issue in the middle of December.

uhcm

Actually, here, almost every shop actually sells Christmas stockings, santa dolls, candy canes, and others that relates to Christmas. I usually find it questionably funny that happens every time it is the start of November. Besides, I, one time saw a CVS sign that says, "Don't forget to bring a gift for Boss Day!" during the summer.

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Stockings? CVS? Boss's Day? So that's how things drift off-topic!

I got the files from the UK, got a little help putting them together into one PDF, and just posted the Forum UK story over at my blog.

http://inflate123.blogspot.com/

bostoncowboy
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it won't open for me!!

Inflate123
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Just tested it again, link is fine, file is fine. So it is likely on your end.

Unzip it with StuffIt Expander (Mac) or WinZip/WinRAR (but Windows can unzip things natively now), then read the PDFs with Adobe Reader, available for free at adobe.com.

JSK00
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I read it, and it was exactly like what you said.

Very nice!

Cutter

Very well done.

Salute to Inflate123 and CV.

hellview_666
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That is indeed a very good article...I may pay attention to The Forum mag more often :)

Anonymous

really good article!

darth_clone19
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Awesome Inflate! You are very well spoken, Id definitely have you as my lawyer anytime!

The only thing I didnt like was that at first, this site seemed as THE place to come for people who like to inflate themselves in real life. Is it? Because if it is, I was not aware of it, and you know as the rest Ive been coming here for years haha

And also, good luck with Airy Tales. That sounds like its gonna be awesome. If you need more people to participate, let me know.

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Inflate123
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I knew I had seen some pretty detailed advice on the real-world inflation stuff from experienced people here, so I just meant "this is the first place I'd check." I didn't mean to suggest that the site was dedicated to it, but it does come up in conversation pretty often. I also know tensions have run high about the "it's safe/it's dangerous" stuff, and that had just gone down around the time of the interview. Maybe there's a better resource for the real-world stuff, but I dunno where it would be. I figured this was a good starting point. But she was pretty intrigued that some people really do inflate themselves, so I tried to offer some info.

I honestly expected there to be more people chiming in, so I sort of just spoke for myself through most of it. I thought she had cast a wide net of interviewees, and maybe she did -- maybe they didn't all respond. I really didn't expect to wind up with it just being CV and myself.

Whenever the media comes to call, I try to paint us all as non-threatening. It's not like we're running around shoving hoses into people on the street.

I hope people like what they see when we get AT running early next year. http://www.airytales.net is up with a teaser; I'll have more to discuss soon. The project has been in the works for over a year now and when Forum came calling, I thought that would be a cool way to announce it, even if we were still a few months away.

kuumuzu

Great article guys, very well worded. ^_^

Fairia
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Read it and not a single hint of bashing or demeaning gesture. It also appeared that the article writer was having his fun writing it; sounding like he was curious and welcomed to learning about the fetish. I know you have been one of the fore runners of the community, Inflate, so it was the best bet to be interviewed. I hope too to be a trail blazer not just for the sake of trail blazing, but to show others that if it was brought to my attention from other people and their discovery of it, I want to have the courage and understanding to be able not to hide anything or without fear. *waves balloon flag*

darth_clone19
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"It's not like we're running around shoving hoses into people on the street. " Dont give me any ideas ;)

By the way, it WAS a cool way to announce it

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Reverie
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The article is a good read, and I think it represents body inflation very well. Congrats for that. I hope I can get my hands on a copy of the magazine.

Cally

Really well written and a credit to yourself and cv

Helium Inflation is the way forward

Feroxodon

Hey, I'm a long time lurker, and a first time poster. Really, it was reading this article here that inspired me to come out of hiding and start posting. Its especially fitting since Inflate123's site first got me to realize that inflation was something more than just a little quirk. Rather than make a new thread just to say "hi, I exist", I decided to bump this thread since I see it as being highly significant and benificial to the community as a whole. = )

sugarhigh
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a great read! it really did a great job of telling about our community in a good light. kudos to both Inflate123 and CV on this! and kudos to the writer as well!

your friendly nighberhood Puffy Cheek Lover!

Inflate123
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FWIW, the Forum UK article now has a permanent home.

http://airytales.net/?page_id=275

Mogman

I have to admit i've been very slow in getting off my butt to read this article n_n;

However I am very glad that I finally did. It's such a comfort to know that the community is given fair treatment by some parts of the media. I'm keeping a copy of that on my pc for sure n_n

AirGrenade

Whoa, thats a nice suprise.

Don't get to complacent with the media accepting this culture however. Thats a fetish magazine that thrives on sexual niches like ours.
Think of the mess a magazine like OK or Heat (Uk gossip mags) would make of this.

Inflate123
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Sure, a tabloid would have a great laugh at our expense, were they to find an angle on it. But we're never going to get mainstream acceptance, are we? I don't think it's a realistic goal, anyway. If we're a little visible to the deviant underground, I'm happy with that. We're not going to be changing mass-market hearts and minds.

Fairia
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Then this makes me wonder about how S/M, bondage and bedroom role playing are really subjected in mainstream media.

gHassy
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But...fear's curtains? I don't think it's a matter of being afraid so much as simply not being contacted or of interest. G4 clearly sees something to mine all of a sudden, but the mainstream media has flirted with us in the past. The Daily Show contacted me several years ago when Kilborn was there, and they dropped the ball as soon as I said I was a fan of the show and would be happy to cooperate; I said I knew what I was in for. That's the moment they stopped calling. If I was aware and in on the joke, they didn't want to do the segment.

I can understand why they did that. Didn't ever watch it when Kilborn ran it, but I'm a big fan of it under Jon Stewart. The Shtick is similar to 'Borat', only instead of making fun of the general public, it's usually a weird, special interests group. The crux of the joke is that the interviee be unaware that it is in fact a joke, and that they are being mocked. Since you were fully aware of the joke and were more than willing to be mocked, that ruined the humor of making a fool of you by having you play the interview straight. Of course, nowadays I'd think anyone the Daily Show or Colbert Report interviews would be aware that they're being mocked.